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The Founders Behind Cascadia, Calico and Point Salad | bgss ep_037
2026/10/17
Molly Johnson and Shawn Stankewich are two of the three founders of FLATOUT GAMES, the studio behind 🎲 CASCADIA and 🐱 CALICO. They tell the story of an AEG exec brushing off POINT SALAD, why a small publisher stays on Kickstarter, and what a store owner said about their next game.
Check out Perennial: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flatoutgames/perennial-0
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE:
🥗 The AEG exec who said "thanks" and walked away from POINT SALAD
🐱 A two-hour debate over one tile bag, a "53 versus 3 thing"
🎨 Why there is no 100% black anywhere in Flatout's art direction
📦 The $20-plus it costs to ship a CASCADIA to a home in the US
🌿 A store owner's advice: "don't make another nature-themed roll-and-write"
🦁 Molly's role-play lion in a damp, horrible forest
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🔗 LINKS
🎲 Flatout Games
▶ https://www.flatout.games/
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 - Cold open
01:16 - Who are Molly and Shawn?
02:09 - Weather chat and Canadian prairie roots
03:47 - Gen Con week spent meeting partners
06:02 - Getting bit by game design in 2016
09:47 - The convention feedback that made it real
12:02 - AEG walks away, then an email lands
16:32 - The Cardboard Edison finals email arrives
18:47 - Propolis turns out to be a really old design
21:47 - Picking palettes with no pure black
27:47 - How the Flatout collab publishes games
33:02 - Two-hour debate over one tile bag
37:32 - Why small-box games stay at $25
39:47 - Why simple family games are a dying breed on Kickstarter
42:47 - Design is only 20 percent of the week
48:02 - No growth for growth's sake
54:47 - Why a small publisher stays on Kickstarter
1:06:47 - Calico's goal: sit on the shelf next to Azul
1:11:17 - Store owners say no more nature roll-and-writes
1:19:32 - Why the casual gamer crowd keeps growing
1:30:47 - Why Beth Sobel's art gets people excited
1:35:17 - Whisperstone, the puzzle-piece RPG, explained
1:48:47 - Three and a half years building an RPG
1:59:17 - How Perennial's polyomino tiles work
2:08:07 - What success looks like in five years
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How To Run A Game Store 101 w/ Kylie Prymus | Games Unlimited | BGSS ep_035
2026/09/24
Kylie Prymus took a dusty 1,000-square-foot shop doing $350,000 a year and turned it into a million-dollar store that sells no Magic, no Pokemon and no miniatures — on purpose. 🏪 GAMES UNLIMITED has been in Pittsburgh's Squirrel Hill since 1979, and the owner who bought it used to teach philosophy for a living.
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE:
🧪 The ALCHEMY talk behind the whole store: "a flower is just a weed with a marketing budget"
🎁 Dead stock wrapped in butcher paper sold out in a week — the clearance table never did
🟢 A counter above the demo bar with a big green button: the metric is games played, not dollars
🛏️ Six weeks of opening a coffee shop at 5:30am, napping in a sleeping bag out back, then working the store till 7
📠 "You're opening a business and you don't have a fax machine?" — "Because it's 2015."
📈 $350,000 in 2019 to over a million last year, out of 3,600 square feet with no event space at all
🎲 Why the heavyweight "greatest game ever" titles sell under a dozen copies a year while HOT STREAK sells 500
🚫 Why free demo copies are a trap: "you need skin in the game"
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🔗 LINKS
🏪 Games Unlimited — Pittsburgh
▶ https://gamesunl.com/
▶ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJDWlkcNGxW4CFnRkpnuAPA
▶ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gamesunlimitedpgh/
▶ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@gamesunl
▶ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GamesUnl
🎙️ Unbox Some Funcast — Kylie's podcast
▶ https://rss.com/podcasts/unbox-some-funcast
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🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-board-game-secret-show/id6785378165
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 - Cold open
00:48 - Who is Kylie Prymus?
02:19 - The first game store owner on the show
06:30 - Alchemy, and the flower that's just a weed with a marketing budget
09:08 - Wrapping the dead stock in butcher paper
20:49 - Creating new gamers instead of acquiring customers
22:57 - No Magic, no Pokemon, no miniatures - on purpose
32:38 - The green button above the demo bar
35:55 - No free demo copies, because you need skin in the game
38:10 - Philosophy professor, coffee shop, game store
39:54 - Bob gets sick nine months into the apprenticeship
40:27 - The sleeping bag in the back of the coffee shop
46:08 - What you actually buy when you buy a game store
48:11 - "You're opening a business and you don't have a fax machine?"
51:34 - The pandemic move to Forbes Avenue
58:29 - "Are you guys new?" after 35 years down the hill
1:02:32 - $350,000 to over a million
1:08:34 - Third space is not a room full of tables
1:20:54 - Bare shelves, a fixed budget, and what to buy first
1:27:18 - The prestige heavyweights sell a dozen; Hot Streak sells 500
1:34:21 - Nobody needs anything we sell
1:45:10 - The Q4 stock-up, and buying 200 copies of one game
1:49:53 - Ordering 300 copies of a game you don't like
2:05:24 - Salaries, structure, and the staff who said "duh"
2:11:36 - Who else should I talk to?
#cardboard #bgss
Zero Strategy Is The Indie Publisher You Need To Know | Jeremy Stark | BGSS ep_034
2026/09/22
Zero Strategy Games put a perfectly normal sheep on the cover of a horror game — and people did a double take all the way to a hit campaign. Jeremy Stark co-designed 🐑 THE SHEEP, 🗝️ SHUFFLE DUNGEONS and 🐉 UNHEIST.
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE:
🌪️ Surviving the Gen Con tornado in a 10×10 booth
🍻 A board game company founded over "one drink after another"
🏥 From project-managing Pennsylvania Medicaid to shipping board games
💸 Where THE SHEEP's campaign money went — "I didn't go home with half a million dollars"
🚫 Gamefound passed on UNHEIST: "not the type of game for us"
🏮 His claim to fame — the lantern economy, and why it split their community
🐉 UNHEIST — kobolds putting a sleeping dragon's stuff back before it wakes
🎲 A secret dragon dice-builder with minis on the way
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🔗 LINKS
🐑 Zero Strategy Games
▶ https://zerostratgames.com/
🐉 The Unheist of Hearthburn House: Mansion Decorating Madness — live on BackerKit through October 10
▶ https://www.backerkit.com/c/projects/zero-strategy-games/the-unheist-of-hearthburn-house-mansion-decorating-madness
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🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-board-game-secret-show/id6785378165
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 - Cold open
00:43 - Who is Jeremy Stark?
01:46 - The sheep cover that stopped David at Origins
03:26 - Gen Con: surviving the tornado in a 10x10 booth
05:51 - Should conventions actually make money?
11:00 - From Pennsylvania Medicaid to board games
15:15 - Why editors can tell he's a Magic player
18:25 - Cutthroat Cove, 750 backers, and one drink after another
29:06 - What made Shuffle Dungeons break out
32:35 - One campaign away from cutting hours
35:43 - Where The Sheep's campaign money actually went
40:37 - Paid ads, AI noise, and falling returns
44:18 - Why Unheist left Kickstarter for BackerKit
45:47 - Gamefound: "not the type of game for us"
49:07 - Shuffle Dungeons: double-sided cards, one-hour crawl
54:57 - It was never supposed to be co-op
1:00:25 - Why there's no day-one expansion
1:04:00 - What the hell is The Sheep? (and a plushie run)
1:09:15 - The rule they rewrote 10 times
1:16:10 - Jeremy's claim to fame: the lantern economy
1:22:26 - Killer sheep, The Black Sheep, and internal controversy
1:35:25 - Unheist: returning a dragon's stuff before it wakes
1:42:29 - Why it's literally called "stuff"
1:46:04 - A three-player minimum and no solo mode, on purpose
1:55:18 - What he tells new players to buy first
1:56:11 - Dragon minis and what's next for Zero Strategy
#cardboard #bgss #unheist #zerostrategygames
The BIG Tend Episode | The Design, The Success, The Future | BGSS ep_033
2026/09/15
Tend began as a Stardew-flavored side project Toby Sarnelle built just for his friends — then IV Studio co-founder Zac Dixon helped turn it into one of the most-requested flip-and-writes out there. 🌱 TEND's designers open up the legacy version that almost shipped, and the two expansions coming next — 🐝 HIVE and 🍷 CELLAR.
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE:
🧪 The legacy "mega sheet" — a tech tree of colored stars they spun on for six months, then cut
🧱 Walls in the mines, doomed rondels, and IV's standing policy on Austin's ideas
🎮 What years designing TWO DOTS taught Toby about hooking a player fast
🐄 The one-cow problem Toby would patch in TEND tomorrow
🐝 HIVE: four apiaries, bee dice, and a true roll-and-write inside a flip-and-write
🍷 CELLAR: a three-game mini campaign where your first farm sets up your last
📦 "Bring me three expansions and a standalone" — and what comes after HIVE and CELLAR
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🔗 LINKS
🌱 Tend by IV Studio
▶ https://shop.iv.studio/products/tend-board-game
🐝 Tend: Hive & Cellar Expansions on Gamefound
▶ https://gamefound.com/en/projects/iv-studio/tend-expansions
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🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-board-game-secret-show/id6785378165
🟢 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033GRnTDINaxqcoJksaCl4
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 - Cold open
00:42 - Who are Toby Sarnelle and Zac Dixon?
01:59 - How Toby ended up on the same box as Zac
02:58 - From Two Dots lead designer to board games
06:48 - "I didn't even know scratch-offs were possible"
09:14 - It was never supposed to be a Stardew game
12:42 - The legacy mega-sheet that almost happened
18:14 - Walls in the mines, and why they died
19:01 - IV's no-rondel policy
20:30 - A redesigned Monopoly was Toby's first prototype
21:59 - What board games can do that video games can't
34:55 - What Toby would patch in Tend today
37:16 - The one-cow problem
38:57 - The fishing feedback they get most
51:10 - Tend was a deck builder a week before prototype
54:59 - Hive and Cellar come out of the legacy version
56:50 - How Hive's apiaries work
1:08:39 - Awards, without the Kickstarter records
1:16:37 - Cellar: a three-game campaign
1:27:08 - "If you play an expansion, engage with it"
1:36:57 - "Bring me three expansions and a standalone"
1:38:56 - Why ship expansions as a set
1:43:35 - The big box
1:49:37 - A new direction for the scratcher
1:50:18 - Wrap
#cardboard #bgss #tend
Scam Tables, Board Game S*x Dolls & Mr. Beast | The Dragons Tomb Unfiltered | BGSS ep_031
2026/09/12
Jeff Kornberg has taught hundreds of thousands of people how to play board games, and not one of those rules has ever been true. 📺 THE DRAGON'S TOMB is eight years of completely straight-faced tutorials with entirely invented rules — and the man making them spent his day job building 🎬 CONDÉ NAST's biggest YouTube series, with over 800 million views on videos he personally produced.
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE:
🚌 A Greyhound bus review so uneventful it killed the opening question
🏙️ He gave away TINY TOWNS — all 375 pieces, one winner per piece, mailed in flat envelopes
🎲 ROCK PAPER SCISSORS DELUXE: Beth Sobel art, Chip Theory lore, and a real Rodney Smith how-to-play
🤖 The $2,000 AI sex doll review — 357,000 views, his biggest video in eight years
🪑 He reviewed a board game table nobody ever sent him. Then the "scam" table turned up.
📧 He invented a fake game, asked 300+ creators what they'd charge for a good review, and kept every answer
📱 "Hey, this is Mr B" — the text that flew him to Greenville
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🔗 LINKS
📺 The Dragon's Tomb
▶ https://www.youtube.com/@TheDragonsTomb
💜 The Dragon's Tomb on Patreon
▶ https://www.patreon.com/TheDragonsTomb
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 - Cold open
00:50 - Who is Jeff Kornberg?
02:35 - Gen Con: Whisperwood, and a suitcase that stayed small
06:58 - What Dragon's Tomb actually is — fake rules, played straight
08:48 - The Tiny Towns giveaway: 375 winners, one piece each
10:21 - 'You ran a Kickstarter'
12:38 - Rock Paper Scissors Deluxe — Beth Sobel art, Chip Theory lore
16:27 - Reverse pranking: the companies who never check the channel
18:18 - Do publishers mind? The PAX Unplugged fake-rules event
19:49 - Never breaking — the deadpan, and four takes a line
20:57 - The $2,000 AI sex doll
23:53 - Did YouTube demonetize it?
26:32 - The tutorial he refunded
31:51 - Kinson Key sweeps the Dice Tower Awards
34:56 - They want the footage — and they won't pay for it
42:03 - Reviewing a board game table that didn't exist
44:31 - The 'scam' table nobody else got sent
45:45 - The fake game, and 300 creators asked to sell out
51:34 - A $3 campaign for the experience of crowdfunding
56:49 - The day job: Condé Nast, and 800 million views
1:00:57 - Fuse, Google's $2M, and learning what makes people click
1:06:28 - The AI lemonade stand: ChatGPT vs Claude
1:08:14 - 'Hey, this is Mr B' — the text out of nowhere
1:11:12 - Greenville: D&D, Catan and poker night
1:16:29 - 'I could save you so much time and money.' He didn't care.
1:19:21 - The best celebrity he ever worked with: Weird Al
1:23:10 - The Pandasaurus wrestling match, and the pizza guy
1:25:03 - Filming Jackie Chan
1:27:23 - Thanks, and a PAX Unplugged plan
#cardboard #bgss
The Rise of Galactic Cruise | The Kinson Key Guys | BGSS ep_030
2026/09/05
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Koltin Thompson took a sick day from teaching fourth grade to launch his Kickstarter. It did $300,000 in the first 24 hours. He went back to work the next morning anyway — state testing was coming — and his co-workers wanted to know what on earth he was doing there. That game was 🚀 GALACTIC CRUISE, and it just won Dice Tower Game of the Year. T.K. King, Dennis Northcott and Koltin of Kinson Key Games came on to tell the whole story.
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE:
🏆 Three Dice Tower awards in one night — and why Game of the Year was the one T.K. was watching for
😭 Turning in a resignation, tears in the school bathroom, and going full-time into board games
🤒 The sick day that launched a $300,000 Kickstarter — and the co-workers who asked why he came in
🚀 "I'm calling it Galactic Cruise for now" — the placeholder name that never went away
🧟 The Frankenstein prototype, and a first version that was wider and shallower than the game you know
📋 Who actually made that player aid — the one people call the best they've ever seen
🎨 Getting to Ian O'Toole: "you have to meet 20 people before you meet Ian"
🛸 EXCURSIONS — why it's a whole new game and not an expansion
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🔗 LINKS
🛸 Excursions — a Galactic Cruise Game (launching soon on Kickstarter)
▶ https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kinsonkeygames/excursions-a-galactic-cruise-game
🚀 Galactic Cruise
▶ https://kinsonkeygames.com/galactic-cruise
🎮 Kinson Key Games
▶ https://www.kinsonkeygames.com/
💬 Kinson Key Games on Discord
▶ https://discord.gg/ZSCRGYJfUC
📺 Kinson Key Games on YouTube
▶ https://www.youtube.com/@kinsonkeygames3478
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🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-board-game-secret-show/id6785378165
🟢 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033GRnTDINaxqcoJksaCl4
🔵 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/01414914-23bd-4f4c-a29f-50daa231f364
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 - Cold open
00:43 - Who are Kinson Key Games?
04:39 - Three Dice Tower awards in one night
07:10 - How two friends started making games
14:32 - Dennis finds them at Proto ATL
22:30 - Going all in on the first day of 2023
27:22 - Doing the math on quitting a salary
28:51 - The resignation, and a $300,000 launch
32:42 - "I am calling it Galactic Cruise for now"
34:38 - The first version was wider and shallower
35:18 - The Frankenstein prototype
45:09 - Why T.K. loves worker placement
48:32 - Where Developments came from
56:37 - Building the Progress Track
58:25 - Teaching people how it scores
1:01:40 - Achievements and Advancements
1:08:59 - The top-ranked player in the world
1:14:25 - The player aid everyone remembers
1:22:43 - Landing the art on a debut game
1:34:10 - Pitching the Achievements expansion
1:40:18 - Excursions - and why it is not an expansion
1:56:45 - Publishing other designers
2:01:59 - Weight, box size and delivery dates
#cardboard #bgss #galacticcruise
Matthew Meeple Talks ASCENDANCY’s Breakout Success And COLA WARS | BGSS ep_029
2026/09/01
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Matthew Meeple took his first game to Gen Con, put six people on it at once, and found out mid-demo that it literally could not be won. He raised $476,000 on it anyway. He's the founder of One More Turn Games — publisher of ⚔️ ASCENDANCY and the upcoming 🥤 COLA WARS — and he quit his job to do all of it.
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE:
🎲 A working cardboard vending machine that rolls your dice — no batteries, just a wooden dowel
📦 The box fight: hundreds of backers arguing over a retro 1985 box nobody can fit in a Kallax
😰 The delay email he was "terrified" to send — and why the replies changed how he runs campaigns
🕹️ "We actually can't win the game" — the Gen Con demo that sent ASCENDANCY back to the drawing board
🥤 How he saw an 80s nostalgia game in Cameron Fleming's prototype from the title alone
🧠 Two battlefields — "mind share" in the consumer's head, "shelf share" in the aisles of Thirst City
💼 Hire executives, fire them for the salary savings, and send interns to file TPS reports
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🔗 LINKS
🥤 Cola Wars on Gamefound
▶ https://gamefound.com/en/projects/onemoreturngames/cola-wars
🎮 One More Turn Games
▶ https://onemoreturngames.com/pages/cola-wars
📺 One More Turn Games on YouTube
▶ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMpadGN6IfX_gt5WhTFdytg
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🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-board-game-secret-show/id6785378165
🟢 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033GRnTDINaxqcoJksaCl4
🔵 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/01414914-23bd-4f4c-a29f-50daa231f364
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 - Cold open
00:40 - Who is Matthew Meeple?
01:59 - He quit his job to go all-in on One More Turn Games
03:41 - ASCENDANCY funded fast - would he do it again?
07:15 - Why his FIRST game was a huge asymmetric 4X
08:33 - What the first campaign actually taught him
12:00 - Never missing an update - ethics or compulsion?
13:48 - The box fight: retro and unstorable, or shelf-friendly?
18:33 - Will COLA WARS go retail?
20:35 - The update he was terrified to send
22:51 - Is crowdfunding oversaturated?
31:35 - The crazy vending machine dice tower
34:23 - Publisher trust, and the CMON problem
39:15 - Why he switched from Kickstarter to Gamefound
41:09 - The Gen Con demo where nobody could win the game
50:42 - Cutting the scope to actually ship
1:00:23 - ASCENDANCY is going digital
1:01:33 - The crafting game he still wants to make
1:03:45 - Finding Cameron Fleming at Gen Con
1:07:33 - What 20 years in advertising brought to the mechanics
1:09:53 - Shelf space: fast food to fine dining
1:12:48 - How a cardboard vending machine rolls dice
1:14:30 - Market research: buying your way out of bad luck
1:20:59 - Why your mind share halves every year
1:23:20 - Vice presidents, and the Ari Gold problem
1:25:31 - Hiring executives - and interns who ruin everything
1:32:11 - What is in store for the campaign
#cardboard #bgss #colawars
From Tables to Publishing 20 Games a Year, The Allplay Story w/ Chad DeShon | BGSS ep_028
2026/08/30
Chad DeShon ran a million-dollar Kickstarter, added another half million in add-ons, and made basically nothing — then turned that wreckage into one of the busiest publishers in board games. He's the founder of 🎲 ALLPLAY, formerly 🪑 BOARDGAMETABLES.COM, and he runs the whole thing out of a limestone mine.
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE:
🕳️ The Allplay warehouse is inside a decommissioned limestone mine — down the road from 750,000 square feet of federal documents
🪑 2014: he emails a stranger about a furniture order and ends up selling board game tables with zero woodworking experience
📦 THE DUCHESS lands at $499 against a $4,000 market and funds in minutes — then 25 containers arrive damaged
💸 "Everybody had to get their table, or the whole business just went away"
🎲 He played QE, emailed the designer to ask if he could publish it, and accidentally became a publisher
🏷️ Every review started "this is QE by BoardGameTables.com" — the naming problem that forced the ALLPLAY rebrand
🧲 His pitch advice for designers: whatever is unique about your game has to be in the first two sentences
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🔗 LINKS
🎲 Allplay
▶ https://www.allplay.com/
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🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-board-game-secret-show/id6785378165
🟢 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033GRnTDINaxqcoJksaCl4
🔵 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/01414914-23bd-4f4c-a29f-50daa231f364
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 - Cold open
00:57 - Who is Chad DeShon?
01:04 - His office is inside a limestone mine
03:42 - The founder story starts with a furniture order
07:40 - The first table sells the day after the website goes live
09:59 - The Duchess: gamers touch the table and walk away
12:18 - Cold-emailing furniture factories in China
13:18 - $499 against a $4,000 market — funded in minutes
18:00 - 25 containers of tables arrive damaged
20:20 - A $1M campaign that made basically no money
24:37 - Redesigning the table around the UPS weight limit
27:24 - Dropping table parts in his basement to test the boxes
32:11 - What he learned watching Geek Chic go under
36:19 - Moving production out of China
42:37 - Why BoardGameTables.com became Allplay
46:38 - On Tour, then QE — how he became a publisher
50:27 - Rescuing Container and Through the Desert
56:01 - The nine-game Kickstarter, and what went wrong
1:00:14 - About 20 games a year, and why that number stops here
1:05:21 - Things in Rings, and still waiting on their Wingspan
1:12:27 - COVID, containers, and forecasting the impossible
1:18:59 - Why QE was never re-themed with animals
1:23:51 - Enchanted Ivy, their first solo game
1:30:58 - The convention booth as a marketing machine
1:34:59 - Jibber Jabble at Gen Con
1:42:04 - Mountain Goats Legacy and Sail Legacy
1:48:20 - Rapid fire: one table, one game forever
#cardboard #bgss #allplay
#cardboard #bgss #dicethrone #wroth
Wroth, Wreck & A Little Dice Throne | Manny Trembley | BGSS ep_027
2026/08/06
Manny Trembly had never designed a board game when he made 🎲 DICE THRONE — he was a comic artist who'd just been laid off. Ten years, 40+ heroes and a Marvel licence later, he still draws it, designs it, and now runs his own studio inside Chip Theory building ⚔️ WROTH.
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE:
💼 Laid off ten years ago this week — a prototype in Nate's kitchen two days later
✏️ Comic artist first — an Eisner nod for PX, 3D models for MYST
🎲 "Too asymmetrical, too many dice" — everyone told him it wouldn't work
⚔️ Gavin Brown, Roxley, and the absurd EXCALIBUR box
🌈 WROTH — built in 24 hours with his kids
🔮 NEXUS and DICE THRONE DIGITAL are coming
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🔗 LINKS
🎲 Dice Throne
▶ https://dicethrone.com/
⚔️ Wroth & Neon Knight Games
▶ https://chiptheorygames.com/
⚔️ Wreck
▶ https://gamefound.com/en/projects/chip-theory-games/wroth-reprint--wreck-expansion
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🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-board-game-secret-show/id6785378165
🟢 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033GRnTDINaxqcoJksaCl4
🔵 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/01414914-23bd-4f4c-a29f-50daa231f364
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 - Cold open
00:32 - Who is Manny Trembly?
01:27 - Fresh off Gen Con
10:20 - Why the small booths are where the magic is
11:53 - Winning a Dice Tower Award for Tanglewood
16:38 - A Jim Lee comic and the two-page spread that started it
21:32 - PX, the Eisner nomination, and dropping the E
23:00 - Myst, Cyan Worlds, and 'grandpa who fought in WWII'
26:05 - Meeting Nate — and getting laid off the same week
30:34 - 'What if we just translate this sucker into a board game?'
34:00 - Roxley, Gavin Brown, and the Excalibur box
40:25 - 'What you're doing is cool, but it's not going to work'
46:32 - The art: what Manny draws vs what Nick Malara draws
57:00 - Why dice make better stories
1:10:44 - Neon Reign — art that predates Dice Throne
1:15:40 - Joining Chip Theory and starting Neon Knight
1:28:13 - Wroth: fixing what keeps people off Root
1:47:20 - Wreck: boats, cannon dice, and the Exodus
2:04:30 - What WROTH actually stands for
2:26:11 - Manny's favourite hero of all time
2:30:40 - Nexus, Dice Throne Digital, and what's next
#cardboard #bgss #dicethrone #wroth
From Teacher To KTBG Founder | Helaina Cappel’s Story | BGSS ep_026
2026/07/25
Helaina Cappel turned down more games than she published — and that's why KTBG and Burnt Island look the way they do. Teacher, publisher, and the one who rescued ⚓ ENDEAVOR off Z-Man's shelf and steered it into 🌊 DEEP SEA.
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE:
🎓 Teacher to publisher — FOODFIGHTERS at the kitchen table
⚓ A year convincing Jarratt & Carl to hand her ENDEAVOR
🌊 Leaving the colonization theme behind for DEEP SEA
🌱 Zero plastic — "but it's flammable"
🗝️ LAIRS: $33, three print runs, all sold out
🔮 Ten more years of Endeavor
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🔗 LINKS
🎲 Kids Table Board Gaming & Burnt Island Games
▶ https://www.kidstablebg.com/
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🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-board-game-secret-show/id6785378165
🟢 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033GRnTDINaxqcoJksaCl4
🔵 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/01414914-23bd-4f4c-a29f-50daa231f364
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 - Cold open
00:33 - Intro — who is Helaina Cappel
01:45 - Before we started rolling
02:24 - The teacher, Josh, and Foodfighters
08:53 - Funding on day 31 — Kickstarter in 2015
13:23 - "When did KTBG become a business?"
20:08 - Catan, Carcassonne, Caylus — becoming a gamer
22:53 - The KTBG DNA: fun, and scalable
26:13 - The "family weight" problem
32:23 - Cystic fibrosis — an unexpected connection
37:03 - Why Burnt Island exists
39:38 - Endeavor: from Z-Man's shelf to a year of convincing
44:43 - Decolonising Endeavor into Deep Sea
53:53 - Zero plastic: the bagasse insert fight
59:23 - Age of Sail is out of print for good
1:02:53 - Fall of the Mountain King — the one that should have hit
1:08:23 - Killing the print ads
1:13:23 - "New is better" — the treadmill
1:17:23 - Tariffs, Play the North, looking past the US
1:25:43 - Lairs — the $33 game she can't print fast enough
1:42:23 - How Lairs found her — an Eric Lang post
1:47:43 - Gen Con and Essen slate
1:49:33 - The future of Endeavor — ten games in ten years
1:56:48 - Advice: ask every single question
#cardboard #bgss #endeavor #kidstableboardgaming #burntisland
Justin Gary is a Pioneer | Magic, Ascension & LOTR | BGSS ep_025
2026/07/14
He won a Magic: The Gathering national championship at 17 — the youngest ever — and got the cards he won with banned. Then he built Ascension in 18 months, bet his life savings on 10,000 copies, and sold out at Gen Con. Justin Gary of Stone Blade Entertainment opens up 15 years of design secrets: why balance is a misnomer, how the One Ring broke his game (and the story moment that fixed it), and what's coming in Ascension: The Lord of the Rings.
Guest: Justin Gary — https://x.com/Justin_Gary
Stone Blade Entertainment: https://stoneblade.com
Justin's podcast & book: Think Like a Game Designer
Lord of the Rings Ascension Campaign: https://gamefound.com/en/projects/stoneblade/the-lord-of-the-rings-ascension#/section/project-story
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Cold open & guest intro
1:07 Welcome + the Tim Ferriss DM story
13:53 The Magic pro years & the hacker mentality
14:54 $30,000 and two banned cards
25:59 Dominion & the deckbuilding boom
29:25 Building Ascension: 18 months, 10,000 copies
46:35 "Balance is a misnomer"
1:07:07 Lord of the Rings Ascension
1:24:03 Taming the One Ring
1:28:33 Favorite set + what's next
1:38:37 The crowdfund + where to find Justin
GAMES IN THIS EPISODE
Magic: The Gathering — https://crdbrd.app/hub/game/4dd82420-e5a0-4cc4-afaa-3b7d2b60ce97
Ascension: Deckbuilding Game — https://crdbrd.app/hub/game/077eee6c-9a23-4f10-b72b-776c45514d2a
Dominion — https://crdbrd.app/hub/game/0b300d7c-f019-4594-8d4b-ef94c0e26585
SolForge Fusion — https://crdbrd.app/hub/game/874e3f7f-413f-47df-bc57-8b603d33937b
Discover every game mentioned on the show: https://crdbrd.app
#cardboard #bgss #ascension
John D. Clair is UNSTOPPABLE | BGSS ep_024
2026/07/08
He invented card crafting — and he may have just reinvented deck building. John D. Clair designed 🚀 SPACE BASE, 🏴☠️ DEAD RECKONING, 🎲 CUBITOS, 🐎 READY SET BET, and 🔮 MYSTIC VALE — and his new "momentum" system in ⚔️ UNSTOPPABLE is the engine behind the smash-hit 👑 DUNGEON CRAWLER CARL board game. In this one, I review Unstoppable to the designer's face for the very first time.
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE, WE GO DEEP:
🧒 Designing his first game at 9 (thanks, Mom)
💰 Quitting the day job — royalties, risk & the AEG deal
🃏 Dominion, Ascension & why deck building is a design "cheat code"
✂️ Card crafting — why it never spawned a genre
⚡ Momentum deck building & the 2009 prototype that waited a decade
🎲 Luck vs. agency — why new players blame the dice
🌶️ The BGG comments he SAVES & the review that stung
🗞️ BREAKING: Floors 5 & 6 in the works for Dungeon Crawler Carl
🔮 What's next — Stormlight Archive, Mystic Lands & Electrify
👉 If you want to get inside the mind of the most inventive card game designer working today, this one's a masterclass.
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🔗 LINKS
⚔️ Unstoppable — Renegade Game Studios
▶ https://renegadegamestudios.com/unstoppable/
👑 Dungeon Crawler Carl: Unstoppable + RPG
▶ https://www.backerkit.com/c/projects/renegade-game-studios/dungeon-crawler-carl-rpg-unstoppable
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🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-board-game-secret-show/id6785378165
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro — who is John D. Clair
00:52 - Designing his first game at 9 (Monster Cards)
05:19 - Maze books & gamifying mazes as a kid
13:24 - Going full-time in 2018 & the AEG deal
16:52 - Why Unstoppable went to Renegade — the IP bet
18:52 - The games he loves (and the two kinds he doesn't)
22:59 - Inspiration & giving credit to other designers
27:12 - Playing Dominion for the first time
30:46 - Why deck building is so addicting
34:38 - Ascension's influence & Dead Reckoning's 2D market
38:52 - Card crafting — a lateral evolution, not a genre
42:16 - The deck building problem card crafting solves
46:05 - Deck-driven board games — Dune: Imperium & Arnak
47:35 - Unstoppable & momentum deck building
50:45 - The 2009 prototype behind Unstoppable
58:04 - The magic moment — two dead cards into a combo
1:00:27 - Difficulty & learning to pump the brakes
1:08:08 - Luck, agency & why new players blame the dice
1:17:48 - How many plays before Unstoppable clicks?
1:18:46 - What do reviewers owe designers?
1:22:03 - BGG comments, Space Base's two bad cards & the review that stung
1:31:36 - Fixing the card market — six levels, straight to hand
1:41:44 - Has momentum transcended deck building?
1:46:01 - The bosses & designing variety
1:52:26 - My gripes — sleeving and that theme
1:55:06 - The IP vision & the future of the Unstoppable line
1:56:36 - Patching a physical game & the new co-op rule
2:00:35 - Dungeon Crawler Carl's campaign mode
2:04:47 - BREAKING — Floors 5 & 6 expansion in the works
2:05:54 - What's new in DCC — looming bosses, races & mana
2:13:39 - The "Unbeatable" difficulty & how John playtests
2:15:17 - Stormlight Archive: War of Roshar (September)
2:17:14 - Mystic Lands & the art problem of card crafting
2:21:03 - Mistborn expansion, Electrify & a 2027 auto-battler
2:23:01 - Wrap-up
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#boardgames #boardgamedesign #unstoppable #dungeoncrawlercarl #deckbuilding #tabletop #renegadegamestudios #boardgamepodcast
From Z-Man to Play-to-Z | 30 Years of Board Game Publishing | BGSS ep_023
2026/07/01
One of the most storied résumés in the entire board game industry. Zev founded Z-Man Games, published 🦠 PANDEMIC and the first English 🌾 AGRICOLA (and basically invented the "animeeple" by deluxing it), signed the original ENDEAVOR, spent seven years exploding the WizKids catalog with ~100 games, and now runs his own publisher — ✨ PLAY TO Z.
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🎙️ IN THIS EPISODE, WE GO DEEP:
💰 The real economics of conventions
🏆 Why Origins beats GenCon for a premiere
🃏 The CCG days & Shadow Fist
🤝 Betting on co-op when NOBODY wanted it
📦 Under-printing Pandemic
🌶️ His (spicy) take on expansions
📜 IP licensing headaches & the Middle-earth project
🚀 Crowdfunding, paid previews vs. review copies
🔮 What's next for Play to Z
👉 If you care at all about how the board game industry ACTUALLY works, this one's a masterclass.
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🔗 LINKS
⚔️ Siege Perilous — LIVE on Gamefound now (through July 14)
▶ https://gamefound.com/en/projects/play-to-z/siege-perilous
✨ Everything Play to Z has going
▶ https://www.playtozgames.com/
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🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-board-game-secret-show/id6785378165
🟢 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033GRnTDINaxqcoJksaCl4
🔵 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/01414914-23bd-4f4c-a29f-50daa231f364
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 ▸ Intro — who is Zev Schlasinger
00:39 ▸ Origins & how the con has changed
03:04 ▸ Why publisher attendance is dropping
04:15 ▸ Conventions are marketing — money is gravy
05:03 ▸ The ROI secret: premiere something new
06:56 ▸ Why release at Origins instead of GenCon
🃏 THE CCG YEARS
09:07 ▸ From CCGs to board games — the Z-Man origin
09:53 ▸ Always a gamer: wargames, Magic & judging
11:31 ▸ Grave Robbers From Outer Space changes everything
13:16 ▸ Breaking into board games & the "Rio Grande wall"
16:40 ▸ How you found games to sign back then
18:33 ▸ Selling off Shadow Fist / leaving CCGs
23:38 ▸ Would he ever do a CCG again?
📈 BUILDING Z-MAN
24:49 ▸ When did Z-Man feel like a success? ("one disaster from bankruptcy")
28:21 ▸ Under-printing Pandemic & Agricola / print runs
33:04 ▸ Lead times then vs. now / the Soothsayers reprint
🦠 THE BIG HITS
36:01 ▸ Meeting Matt Leacock & signing Pandemic
38:03 ▸ Betting on co-op when nobody wanted it
42:22 ▸ Play to Z's philosophy: engaging & different
43:31 ▸ Signing Agricola, the $70 euro risk & animeeples
48:48 ▸ Publishing the very first Endeavor
52:40 ▸ Zev's honest take on expansions
🏢 Z-MAN, WIZKIDS & IP
1:05:00 ▸ Why he sold Z-Man (and kept working there)
1:07:28 ▸ The WizKids years — 100 games in 7
1:11:47 ▸ The reality of working with IP & licensing
1:20:54 ▸ The Middle-earth game & Asmodee's curation
✨ PLAY TO Z & THE INDUSTRY TODAY
1:27:08 ▸ Why start Play to Z — hitting the ground running
1:29:40 ▸ Crowdfunding — why he resisted it for so long
1:33:02 ▸ Crowdfunding vs. bank loans & publisher risk
1:39:37 ▸ Paid previews, review copies & marketing ROI
1:47:27 ▸ Social media & staying transparent with the community
1:52:29 ▸ Board games vs. digital / BGA & the tactile future
🎯 WHAT TO PLAY NOW
1:54:40 ▸ Play to Z's lineup — Siege Perilous, 23 Knives & more
1:56:52 ▸ The most slept-on Play to Z game
2:00:45 ▸ Late-year releases — Dogs of War, Soul Journey
2:03:21 ▸ Where to find Siege Perilous & wrap-up
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#boardgames #boardgamedesign #zmangames #pandemic #agricola #tabletop #playtoz #boardgamepodcast
Let’s Talk Rolling Deep & More w/ Peter C. Hayward | BGSS ep_022
2026/06/24
Board game designer Peter Hayward (Rolling Deep, Things & Rings, That Time You Killed Me) sits down for a wide-ranging, 3-hour conversation about what actually makes a game fun, why he's stepping back from designing to chase screenwriting, and how he reverse-engineered the feeling of Balatro into a tabletop roguelike.
We get into the apex of game design, the difference between fun, satisfaction, and winning, why Flip Seven sparked a friendly fight, the $120k debt that nearly ended it all, the "offer he couldn't refuse," and the absurd timeline that took Rolling Deep from first prototype to Kickstarter in under six months.
🎲 Rolling Deep hits Kickstarter June 23rd: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bitewinggamesnick/rolling-deep-and-eureka-dice-adventure-roguelike-and-campaign
⏱️ CHAPTERS
0:00 Cold open
0:42 Designer vs. salesman: the dream nobody warns you about
1:37 The real daily grind of a working designer
3:02 Willow, his sisters & "external processing"
5:27 23 Slack channels with his sister
8:44 How does Peter have fun?
9:07 Fun vs. satisfaction vs. winning
11:02 The apex of game design
11:48 Making "dumb apes feel clever"
12:32 Puzzles, Sudoku & writing sitcoms
15:47 Intrinsic vs. extrinsic joy
22:20 Breaking So Clover (and co-op games)
23:59 Is Flip Seven even a game?
25:29 The threshold of agency
26:03 Why Flip Seven might be a top design of 20 years
30:34 Being a board game "sommelier"
32:30 The Candyland question
33:40 Why he's ending the Fun Problems podcast
34:50 The screenwriting dream & getting into the US
39:02 A "typical" day & external obligations
43:12 $120k of debt to a net worth of zero
44:32 The offer he couldn't refuse
50:14 The ridiculous Rolling Deep timeline
51:36 The Cuphead artist & the cover
53:42 Why Peter designs mechanics-first
55:05 The three hooks: mechanical, component, thematic
1:08:42 Falling in love with Balatro
1:09:31 What Balatro actually is
1:24:08 So what is Rolling Deep?
1:30:39 Translating planet cards into mushrooms
1:33:08 Turning interest into a real decision
1:38:13 Bosses & engine destroyers
1:43:41 Jokers become tableau rows
1:48:13 Broken combos: feature or bug?
1:55:21 "Use the paints already on the tray"
2:04:48 Custom dice faces & the rules budget
2:19:11 Discovery cards
2:28:35 Achievements & roguelike unlocks
3:02:00 Going full-time: f**k around and find out
3:07:45 Peter's other income streams
3:09:40 Building an "engine" on YouTube
3:11:17 Wrap up
#boardgames #gamedesign #rollingdeep #kickstarter #tabletop #balatro
We Talk Board Games & Books w/ @ZeBoardandShield | BGSS ep_21
2026/06/15
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Zeshawn from Board and Shield has played over 500 board games — and he's just as deep in the book world as the board game one. In this episode of the Board Game Secret Show we go all the way down the rabbit hole: how a Game of Thrones version of Risk pulled him into the hobby, why he merged books and board games onto one account, the narrative campaign games worth your table (Dragon Eclipse, Oathsworn, Spire's End), a hot take that might get him canceled (Castles of Burgundy is overrated), and his complete all-time Top 10 — including why Black Rose Wars will NEVER leave the #1 spot.
We also cover the board-game-to-book pipeline: what to read if you love Blood Rage, the cozy parallel to CozyStickerville, and the standalone novels every gamer should pick up.
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⏱️ TIMESTAMPS
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0:00 — Cold open / teaser
0:30 — Who is Zeeshan & Board and Shield
1:03 — How we connected on TikTok
2:34 — Cross-posting TikTok / IG / YouTube + why he hates editing
5:08 — Being authentic beats high production
6:07 — His first videos: nerves, photos → talking to camera
7:53 — Will we ever get long-form? The monthly-recap idea
9:29 — The origin story: Game of Thrones Risk changed everything
13:08 — Champions of Midgard & his first worker placement
14:31 — Getting people into the hobby (the gateway-game problem)
16:13 — Top 10 lists & the YouTubers that hooked him
18:26 — Books or board games — which came first?
18:53 — Between Two Fires: a horror book deep dive
21:57 — His reading journey & the deluxe-edition parallel to board games
25:01 — Why he merged books + board games onto one account
27:21 — Niching down vs. being yourself (and dealing with haters)
29:13 — Booktok creators worth following — and how huge that world is
31:39 — The golden age of Lord of the Rings board games
33:35 — There and Back Again & the "cozy" debate
34:22 — Cozy Stickerville obsession
37:15 — Corey Konieczka (Twilight Imperium → Cozy Stickerville) & Vantage
41:33 — Narrative campaign games: Dragon Eclipse & Oathsworn
44:04 — Dragon Eclipse as an arena battler ("I wish it were Pokémon")
47:03 — Can board game writing ever match a real novel?
48:32 — Tainted Grail & the Spire's End games
53:08 — Sponsor break: Cardboard
54:01 — Getting board gamers INTO books
56:08 — Legends & Lattes: the cozy book pick
57:06 — Can a book capture the *feeling* of a board game?
59:36 — Standalone book recs (The Sword of Kaigen, Blood Over Bright Haven)
1:00:21 — The paid-content & publisher journey
1:03:36 — Staying selective + the one publisher he hasn't worked with (Awaken Realms)
1:04:40 — Auto-buy publishers & designers: Board & Dice + Stefan Feld
1:05:41 — HOT TAKE: Castles of Burgundy is overrated
1:08:38 — Favorite Board & Dice game (Teotihuacan)
1:09:46 — Windmill Valley & Danny Garcia
1:11:20 — More hot takes: Ark Nova & Viticulture
1:14:07 — THE ALL-TIME TOP 10 — #10 Marvel Champions
1:17:36 — #9 Avalon
1:19:09 — #8 Nusfjord
1:21:13 — #7 Blood Rage
1:22:23 — #6 Primal: The Awakening
1:23:31 — #5 Dominion
1:26:36 — #4 Santorini
1:29:30 — #3 Inis
1:30:57 — #2 Spirit Island (is it really cozy?)
1:33:01 — #1 Black Rose Wars (the forever #1)
1:38:09 — Breaking into the list: Grimm Coven
1:44:15 — The future of Board and Shield & where to follow him
1:45:20 — How he finds time for all of it
1:46:37 — Closing thoughts: the stories behind the hobby
#boardgames #boardgamecommunity #tabletopgames #booktok #blackrosewars
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