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227 episodes
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Date created
2017/03/09
Latest episode
2026/10/14
Average duration
26 min.
Release period
50 days
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Join the AICD's Chief Economist Mark Thirlwell GAICD for this weekly deep dive into the latest economic news from Australia and around the world. From interest rates to trade wars and everything in between, we have you covered.
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Can the World Economy Avoid Entering a Doom Loop?
2026/10/14
A New Podcast From the AICD
2026/06/10
AICD is proud to announce the launch of a brand new podcast offering - Director Download.
Director Download is a weekly podcast series that keeps directors and senior leaders ahead of evolving governance obligations.
Each episode features conversations with policy experts and leading directors to unpack complex governance challenges and deliver practical insights that can be applied in the boardroom.
You can listen by searching 'Director Download' in your podcast player, or by clicking the links below:
Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033f7mHnHstKVIekaBMT2Y Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/director-download/id1896576074
220 - The RBA's Confident-but-also-Uncertain rate cut
2025/05/23
When the RBA cut rates back in February this year it sounded cautious. This time it sounded confident. At least kind of. It also sounded pretty uncertain about the global economy...but then who isn't these days? This week's episode of the pod gives its quick take on the May 2025 rate cut and the prospects for more to come.
For more insights from the AICD's Chief Economist Mark Thirlwell head to https://www.aicd.com.au/news-media/economic-weekly.html.
219 - Markets, Tariffs, and the RBA Outlook
2025/05/16
In this week's episode, we unpack the post-election market rally, Trump's unexpected retreat on tariffs and renewed trade talks with China, fresh data on wages and unemployment, and what to expect from next week's RBA meeting. A quick but sharp look at the key economic signals shaping the week.
For more from AICD's Chief Economist Mark Thirlwell, head to: https://www.aicd.com.au/news-media/economic-weekly.html
218 - What should the RBA do?
2025/05/02
The RBA's new Monetary Policy Board meets later this month to consider the case for a second rate cut in the current easing cycle. What will it make of Australia's election campaign, this week's inflation numbers, the recent rash of international forecast downgrades from the IMF, WTO and World Bank, and ongoing global trade policy uncertainty? Still high on Easter chocolate, the pod offers its unsolicited advice.
Special - Trump, Tariffs and Turmoil
2025/04/16
Instead of the traditional Easter Egg, the Dismal Science pod has a quick take on the implications of 'Liberation Day' and its aftermath in its Easter basket. It's tariff free! (Note, contents may include some discussion of trade policy tools.)
For more economic insights from the AICD's Chief Economist Mark Thirlwell, including his weekly economic update, head to: https://www.aicd.com.au/news-media/economic-weekly.html.
Dismal Science Live at AGS: US Markets, CHIPS Act, Geopolitical Shifts, and Australian Economic Concerns
2025/03/13
In this live from the Australian Governance Summit episode, hosts Raphael Dixon and Mark Thurwal analyze current economic and geopolitical developments.
They discuss the "Trump trade" market fluctuations, US CHIPS Act's mixed impact on semiconductor manufacturing, and China's growing chip capabilities. The conversation covers Germany's potential defense spending increase, US steel tariffs affecting Australia, contradictions in US onshoring and immigration policies, and the possibility of talent flowing from the US to countries like Australia.
Throughout, they offer practical investment guidance for navigating uncertain markets.
Subscribe to Mark's weekly newsletter here
217 - GDP Relief and a Fracturing Global Order
2025/03/06
This week on the Dismal Science, Raphael and Mark dissect the latest Australian GDP figures, revealing the end of the per capita recession, though productivity remains a concern with a third consecutive quarter of falling GDP per hour worked.
Turning their attention to the global stage, they examine the evolving economic landscape in the United States, with the Atlanta Fed now forecasting contraction and the impact of newly implemented tariffs. They explore how these factors, coupled with significant geopolitical uncertainties including the suspension of US military aid to Ukraine, are contributing to market jitters and a shifting focus away from previous narratives like AI.
Finally, they consider the potential economic ramifications of the US Department of Government Efficiency (Doge) initiative.
Read Mark's weekly newsletter here: https://www.aicd.com.au/news-media/economic-weekly.html
216 - Eight reasons a soft landing is uncertain
2025/02/27
This week, Raphael and Mark dissect the latest inflation data and react to recent rate cuts, examining whether the soft landing declared by the IMF is truly secure.
Mark shares a sneak peek of his upcoming article in Company Director magazine, outlining eight key global uncertainties that could derail the current economic outlook.
They explore topics such as diverging central bank rate paths, the impact of a potential Trump administration, the fraying rules-based international system, demographic transitions, technological revolutions (AI, bioscience, energy), the energy transition, state-based armed conflict, and domestic political uncertainty.
Despite the risks, is there room for optimism, or are we heading towards a "G-Zero" world?
Read Mark's weekly newsletter here: https://www.aicd.com.au/news-media/economic-weekly.html
215 - 🍾 Rate Cut Victory Lap! 🍾 AI's Sputnik Moment & the US' Smoot-Hawley Moment.
2025/02/19
We're back, and we force Mark to take a victory lap for his February rate cut prediction! We dive into the details of the RBA's decision and its implications for future cuts.
Then, we dissect the market freakout following the release of Deepseek's open-source AI model. What does it say about AI market leaders' valuations, the effectiveness of export controls and the future of AI?
Finally, we discuss the return of "Tariff Man" and the potential for a Smoot-Hawley moment.
Special - Tech, AI, the New World Order, and the Future of Growth
2025/01/06
We're taking a break from our usual format to look at some of the big technological and economic themes of 2024, and where they are going in 2025 and into the future.
Mark and Raph discuss the explosion of AI and where it might be headed, as well as its impact on financial markets. We contemplate what might constitute the next big wave of global innovation. Will AI prove to be transformative or merely a sustaining innovation? And could the changing geopolitical landscape mean the end of hyper-globalisation? We will be back with our regular episodes in February.
If you enjoyed or hated this episode, we'd love to hear your feedback! Send us an email:
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Special - 2024 Wrap Up: A Year of Living Conservatively Ft. Su-Lin Ong
2024/12/17
This week we are joined by Su-Lin Ong, Managing Director, Chief Economist & Senior Corporate Relationship Manager of RBC Capital Markets. Together Mark and Su-lin reflect on Australia's economic conditions and the RBA's 2024 performance.
They unpack why the RBA has held interest rates steady for so long – and what this means for Australia's economic outlook, including a (mild) disagreement on the outlook for interest rates. Plus, they discuss the impact of a new US administration, the RBC's unique projections, the global easing cycle, and how Australia stacks up against the rest of the world.
Subscribe to Mark's weekly column here: https://www.aicd.com.au/news-media/economic-weekly.html
214 - February Rate Cut Back On The Table?
2024/12/11
The RBA keeps interest rates on hold, but the big news is a change in tone that suggests Mark's long predicted February rate cut is back on the table.
Also, Mark looks back at his predictions from a year ago, revisiting his forecasts for inflation, unemployment, and economic growth.
Get your ticket to AGS: https://www.aicd.com.au/events/australian-governance-summit.html
Subscribe to Mark's weekly column here: https://www.aicd.com.au/news-media/economic-weekly.html
213 - GDP Growth Stumbles, Per Capita Recession Deepens, Will the RBA Hold Firm?
2024/12/04
This week, we examine Australia's latest soft GDP figures. The headline number is a weak 0.3% quarterly expansion, the lowest rate of annual growth since the pandemic with private sector demand contributing nothing to this meager growth figure.
Will the RBA stay the course with rates on hold in the face of a deepening per capita recession and falling living standards?
We also look at what's driving Australia's poor economic performance relative to other OECD nations.
Get your ticket to AGS: https://www.aicd.com.au/events/australian-governance-summit.html
Subscribe to Mark's weekly column here: https://www.aicd.com.au/news-media/economic-weekly.html
212 - Is Germany Kaput? Lessons for Australia in a Deglobalising World
2024/11/27
This week, the Dismal Science turns its attention to Europe's economic powerhouse - Germany.
We examine the country's recent economic struggles, exploring the reasons behind its faltering performance, including the war in Ukraine, rising energy costs, and the rise of Chinese manufacturing.
We discuss whether these challenges are merely cyclical or point to deeper structural issues with the German economic model.
With a shrinking workforce, rising fiscal pressures, and declining global trade, is "Germanification" a cautionary tale for other advanced economies, including Australia?
We also examine the impact of China's growing dominance in key industries, particularly the automotive sector, where Chinese companies are now leading the world in EV production. Can Germany adapt and compete, or is its era of economic dominance over?
Read more from Mark on the AICD website: https://www.aicd.com.au/news-media/economic-weekly.html
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brav258 2020/05/27
Excellent!
Ivan is absurdly eloquent and charming.
Sean_Wong 2018/04/06
Great vignettes of Australian economics
The AICD Team is punching above their weight here there’s. Nuanced unpacking in a candid and straightforward way.
Keep it up.
I’d suggest adding a...
Steve...Steve...Steve 2017/03/11
Quality and lively discussion of Australia's economy
I'm always on the lookout for high quality - and entertaining - discussion of Australia's economy. This really fits the bill. Would love to hear more.
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