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Lisa-Jo has a personal epiphany in the bathtub this week and Christie offers insights on the healing that comes from addressing our shadows. We're facing our demons this week -- from the safety of the bathtub!Lisa-Jo looks in the mirror of her past and doesn't like what she seesChristie points us to the cyclical nature of life that can bring order and understanding out of the darkness--especially as it relates to parenting teens.Lisa-Jo tells the story of confronting one of the worst shadows from her past on a stage in front of 4,000 people. We want to uncover the transformative power of confronting our past and finding meaning in the pain.Christie recommends: Like Dew Your Youth: Growing Up with Your Teenager by Eugene H. PetersonLisa-Jo's bathtub read: A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula K. Le GuinPodcast links: We are now ad-free! You can help support our show with a one-time donation here or a recurring gift right here. Thank you. We are excited about becoming fully listener supported. Pre-order Lisa-Jo's new book here (or wherever books are sold) Pre-order Christie's new book here (or wherever books are sold) Follow Emily Graffius on Instagram @emily.graffius and learn more about her work as a TBRI Practitioner, Speaker, and Parent Coach & Cultivate Connection Facilitator. Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast.

In today's episode, Lisa-Jo and Christie do something they've never done before ... they invite a third friend into the conversation! This special episode was recorded in person in the Black Barn! We are together again in the Black Barn!Meet our friend and special guest Emily GraffiusFind out what it's like behind the scenes of the podcastWe answer ALL of Emily's questions (are they your questions, too?)Lisa-Jo and Christie's friendship and why we WON'T be breaking up or falling outInsights into motherhood and how to form lasting friendshipsThis one ends with a real eye-opener as Lisa-Jo discovers the true nature of her relationship with (wait for it ...) her pillow!Podcast links: We are now ad-free! You can help support our show with a one-time donation here or a recurring gift right here. Thank you. We are excited about becoming fully listener supported. Pre-order Lisa-Jo's new book here (or wherever books are sold) Pre-order Christie's new book here (or wherever books are sold) Follow Emily Graffius on Instagram @emily.graffius and learn more about her work as a TBRI Practitioner, Speaker, and Parent Coach & Cultivate Connection Facilitator. Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast.

In today's episode, Lisa-Jo and Christie reflect on the emotional and creative journey of writing and releasing their upcoming books. They discuss the concept of impact, the pressures of going viral, and the deeper significance of friendship and service.  Discussion of the process of writing and releasing a bookPersonal stories behind the booksEmotional journey of sharing your work with the worldOur cultural obsession with making an impact Reframing impact and success The impact of sacrificial friendshipPodcast links: We are now ad-free! You can help support our show with a one-time donation here or a recurring gift right here. Thank you. We are excited about becoming fully listener supported. Pre-order Lisa-Jo's new book here (or wherever books are sold) Pre-order Christie's new book here (or wherever books are sold) Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast.

We are back after a five-month hiatus, and we have so much to tell you. About rest. About work. About creativity and parenting teenagers and the very Big Milestones coming up for us this year. If you've been feeling overwhelmed and overcommitted, this conversation between two old friends is for you. The difference between stuffing vs savoring. What is more exhausting -- parenting toddlers vs parenting teens--and why. The thing we've hinted at is finally real and alive in the world. Christie gets the closest she's ever come to setting a goal.Podcast links: We are now ad-free! You can help support our show with a one-time donation here or a recurring gift right here. Thank you. We are excited about becoming fully listener supported. Pre-order Lisa-Jo's new book here (or wherever books are sold) Pre-order Christie's new book here (or wherever books are sold) Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast.

Who needs rest from creating? In the beginning, God didn't just rest from work but He rested from creating.  After burn out,  Lisa-Jo and Christie wrap their arms around us and give us grace to pause.  Whether you're entering a season of creation or needing a break from creating we can all relate. Sometimes a season calls for a stop. for a pause. for less. You might not need anything new but need to revisit and savor what you already have.  "Maybe I don't need something new.  Maybe what I need is already here and I need to slow down and savor it." - Christie Purifoy Do we lose momentum in our life if we rest?  Feeling obliged to keep going but you want to stop?  Which alternative to saying "I Did Nothing" (thanks to Chalkboard Mag) resonates with you?  God is telling Christie and Lisa-Jo to pause.  Out of the Ordinary will be going on sabbatical for the remainder of 2023. Christie and Lisa-Jo both have books coming out in the spring 2024! Out of the Ordinary podcast will return again in 2024 with new episodes!! It will be so exciting to be together again!  Podcast links: Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast. Christie mentioned these two books in the episode: Invitation to Retreat: The Gift and Necessity of Time Away with God by Ruth Haley Barton Keeping House: The Litany of Everyday Life by Margaret Kim Peterson

This is a story about how to make ordinary life a little bit easier. LJ and Christie laugh, talk, and recommend equipment for ordinary living: shoes, headphones, jasmine!, and more. Also, we learn that Lisa-Jo has never heard the memorable 1980s advertising slogan: "Calgon, take me away!" Podcast links: Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast. _______ Sponsor appreciation: We're so grateful to partner with show sponsors that keep making our work possible. Click here to visit Green Chef and use code ordinary60 to get 60% off plus free shipping! The #1 Meal Kit for Eating Well! Click here to visit Nutrafol to grow thicker, heathier hair with $10 off with the code ORDINARY! Click here to treat yourself to the best shapewear on the market and save 20% Off @honeylove #honeylovepod Click here to visit Stellar Eats and get 20% off your next order on healthy and tasty baking mixes! Click here to visit Earth Breeze and get 40% off your next order with laundry detergent Eco Sheets! 

What does it mean to pursue goodness? Have we slighted it? Let's stay rooted in our deep and worthy ordinary virtues even though they aren't on a typical list for new year's resolutions. "I'd really like to be like Ted Lasso." Do you agree with Christie on this? Ted Lasso makes goodness and kindness appealing and powerful.  *viewer discretion advised for R rated moments* True goodness fights for you, inspires you and makes you braver and bolder. Life isn't about us being good enough for God. Christie lets us know that beauty has been linked with truth and goodness in all different kinds of philosophies. The writings that are mentioned: Sean of the South by Sean Dietrich and Phantastes by George McDonald.  Podcast links: Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast. _______ Sponsor appreciation: We're so grateful to partner with show sponsors that keep making our work possible. Click here to visit Green Chef and use code ordinary60 to get 60% off plus free shipping! The #1 Meal Kit for Eating Well! Click here to visit Nutrafol to grow thicker, heathier hair with $10 off with the code ORDINARY! Click here to treat yourself to the best shapewear on the market and save 20% Off @honeylove #honeylovepod Click here to visit Stellar Eats and get 20% off your next order on healthy and tasty baking mixes! Click here to visit Earth Breeze and get 40% off your next order with laundry detergent Eco Sheets! 

This is a story about a book Christie loved and Lisa-Jo did not. Actually, here are stories about quite a few books! Because these are the childhood favorites that helped make us the women we are. In this week's conversation, we discover just how much our favorite books reveal about our deepest selves and our relationships. Christie and Lisa-Jo trade memories and titles from The Secret Garden to Lord of the Rings and quite a few you've probably never heard of, let alone read! Listener invitation: Take a shelfie! Yep, that's a selfie of your bookshelf. We'd LOVE to see your favorite books -- tag us in Instagram @lisajobaker and @christiepurifoy Podcast links: Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast. _______ Sponsor appreciation: We're so grateful to partner with show sponsors that keep making our work possible. Click here to visit Green Chef and use code ordinary60 to get 60% off plus free shipping! The #1 Meal Kit for Eating Well! Click here to visit Nutrafol to grow thicker, heathier hair with $10 off with the code ORDINARY! Click here to treat yourself to the best shapewear on the market and save 20% Off @honeylove #honeylovepod Click here to visit Stellar Eats and get 20% off your next order on healthy and tasty baking mixes! Click here to visit Earth Breeze and get 40% off your next order with laundry detergent Eco Sheets! 

This is a story about painting a dining room nearly charcoal black. And the hundreds of hours it took. This is a story about how it turned a dining room into an everyday extravagance. This week Lisa-Jo and Christie remember the great farmhouse dining room painting saga of their first Thanksgiving in Pennsylvania and how it nearly ruined Christie and her husband's respective backs and arms and attitudes. But how it was more than paint. It was the kind of extravagance we get to give one another on the daily. Because this is lavish, insanely beautiful grace -- being willing to transform the ordinary into the extraordinary, the boring into the extravagant, if only we have eyes to see, and sometimes paint buckets and brushes. Did Lisa-Jo recognize the transformation? Did her family appreciate the effort taken to create extravagance ahead of their visit? Did Jon and Christie survive the hundreds of hours it took to paint walls and CEILINGS a dark charcoal color? Tune in today to find out as they remember that single room that nearly broke them and all the back-breaking, heart-aching work that went into preparing the way. Podcast links: Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast. _______ Sponsor appreciation: We're so grateful to partner with show sponsors that keep making our work possible. Click here to visit Green Chef and use code ordinary60 to get 60% off plus free shipping! The #1 Meal Kit for Eating Well! Click here to visit Nutrafol to grow thicker, heathier hair with $10 off with the code ORDINARY! Click here to treat yourself to the best shapewear on the market and save 20% OFF @honeylove #honeylovepod Click here to visit Stellar Eats and get 20% off your next order on healthy and tasty baking mixes! Click here to visit Earth Breeze and get 40% off your next order with laundry detergent Eco Sheets! 

If you're like us then you also associate summer with certain foods. And therefore with certain memories. These are the foods and memories that have shaped our summers for decades.  We hope listening leaves you hungry. And also, makes you remember. The tastes of your favorite summers and the memories that you can bite into when you close your eyes and picture your plate.  Listener invitation: Won't you tag us on Instagram and share YOUR favorite summer food memory with us?  Just share a photo and tag @lisajobaker and @christiepurifoy  Podcast links: Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast. _______ Sponsor appreciation: We're so grateful to partner with show sponsors that keep making our work possible. Click here to visit Green Chef and use code ordinary60 to get 60% off plus free shipping! The #1 Meal Kit for Eating Well! Click here to visit Nutrafol to grow thicker, heathier hair with $10 off with the code ORDINARY! Click here to get 20% OFF @honeylove #honeylovepod Click here to visit Stellar Eats and get 20% off your next order on healthy and tasty baking mixes! Click here to visit Earth Breeze and get 40% off your next order with laundry detergent Eco Sheets! 

This is the story of our first critic. Once upon a time in a coffee shop in Chicago when Christie was a brand new English Literature professor a stranger asked her a question about reading and writing. He was pointed. He had opinions. He was her first critic.  We've come a long way since then. And gathered many, many more reviews. And we've gotten better at receiving them. And learned a lot about leaving them.  This is the story of what we have learned -- about reading as much as about writing. And how it's changed the way we think about reviews.  This is a story for anyone who loves books as much as we do. Because to love books is to love authors and learn how to respond to their art with the reviews that we leave. And yes, we read aloud one of our favorite reviews -- not because of how it agrees with us. But because of how it kind of doesn't. And what a great lesson it taught us as readers and reviewers ourselves.  Podcast links: Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast. _______ Sponsor appreciation: We're so grateful to partner with show sponsors that keep making our work possible. Click here to visit Green Chef and use code ordinary60 to get 60% off plus free shipping! The #1 Meal Kit for Eating Well! Click here to treat yourself to the best shapewear on the market and save 20% Off on HoneyLove. Click here to visit Nutrafol to grow thicker, heathier hair with $10 off with the code ORDINARY! Click here to join Thrive Market today and get 30% off your first order, plus a FREE $60 gift! Click here to visit Stellar Eats and get 20% off your next order on healthy and tasty baking mixes! 

This is the story of the labels people pin to us - to our bodies or our lives, or our families or our homes - and that we sometimes start to believe must be true. This is the story of starting to say that we will not be accepting those labels today, thank you very much.  Today Christie and Lisa-Jo each share stories about labels they had unknowingly accepted about themselves since they were teenagers. As if they were a shameful secret. As if they should apologize for who they are. Do you know what we mean? Do you have a memory, a throwaway sentence, an insult, a note, a casual, cutting observation that you tucked into your soul and allowed to grow up alongside you as if it was always part of you? So that now that lie is grafted into your DNA and you can’t tell the difference between the label and the reality of you? Today is the day to toss that label in the trash, friends! Join us as we speak truth and laughter and reality to the labels that have embarrassed us in the past. That we choose instead to name our lives and our homes and ourselves with the words spoken on the sixth day, “very good” (Genesis 1:31). Podcast links: Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast! Click here to join the conversations we have with listeners every week around the podcast. _______ Sponsor appreciation: We're so grateful to partner with show sponsors that keep making our work possible. Click here to visit Green Chef and use code ordinary60 to get 60% off plus free shipping! The #1 Meal Kit for Eating Well! Click here to treat yourself to the best shapewear on the market and save 20% Off on HoneyLove. Click here to visit Nutrafol to grow thicker, heathier hair with $10 off with the code ORDINARY! Click here to join Thrive Market today and get 30% off your first order, plus a FREE $60 gift! Click here to visit Stellar Eats and get 20% off your next order on healthy and tasty baking mixes!