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Ep 396: A woman married the man of her dreams who turned out to be a monster. But would the system hold him accountable? This is the Kelly Sutliff story More information about Kelly and her work can be found on her website, "Kelly's K9s Tails of Courage" at https://www.kellysk9s.org Kelly Sutliff had built the life she wanted: a master's degree, a thriving psychotherapy practice, her own home in New Jersey, and a rescue dog named Chester. What was missing was love — and in 2018 a dating app match with a charming Army veteran named Chris Mackey seemed to supply it. Within months he had moved in, proposed and married her. Within a year, Kelly was mysteriously, chronically ill, and a December 2019 night in Morris County would turn her marriage into a crime scene. Meghan and Amy trace Kelly's story from her childhood in East Hanover, New Jersey through the 911 calls, the arrest on aggravated assault by strangulation, and the questions that followed: what did New Jersey bail reform mean for a so-called first-time offender, and why does the research link nonfatal strangulation to later homicide risk? Along the way they draw a chilling parallel to the Gisèle Pelicot case. Then Kelly joins the show herself to talk her story after the trial. Her case also features in the Hulu series Toxic, hosted by Elizabeth Chambers. Sources for Today's Episode: Episode 1 of Toxic on Hulu The Sun Interview with Kelly Sutliff Kelly Sutlifflpc.com National Institute of Health The New Jersey Monitor Sponsors: (using our promo codes, supports the show!) Lola Blankets - For a limited time, our listeners can get 35% OFF select Lola Blankets products with code "WOMEN"at checkout. Just head to LolaBlankets.com After you purchase, they’ll ask where you heard about them — PLEASE support our show and let them know we sent you. Wrap yourself in luxury with Lola Blankets. Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced by James Varga Music by Dessert Media Special Thanks to: Kelly Sutliff Get Even More Women&Crime Episodes: Patreon - Ad-free shows starting at $2 a month, or upgrade for $5 a month to get a new extra episode every month, as well as exclusive virtual HappyHours with Meg & Amy. Check-out other tiers for perks such as lectures, true crime book club, and more! Visit our Patreon page for more info: https://www.patreon.com/womenandcrime/ Apple Subscriptions - Exclusive episodes and ad-free regular stories are now available through Apple's podcast app for only $4.99 a month, or save with an annual membership. YouTube Memberships - Exclusive episode available on YouTube for only $4.99 a month. https://www.youtube.com/@WomenandCrime/membership/ Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 395: Women & Crime: Reconsidered is where we revisit our episode catalog and bring new insights, behind the scenes or updates. Brand new episodes are STILL every Tuesday! Original Airdate: 09/29/20 After accused sexual predator, Jeffrey Epstein’s death, the world and authorities began to take a closer look at his longtime female companion, and alleged "madame". In this episode, Meghan is joined by sex crimes & trafficking expert Dr. Alexa Sardina, as they examine her role in her alleged crimes, explain possible motives and psychologal theories, and how she will be handled in the criminal justice system. Resources: 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (988lifeline.org) Crisis Text Line (crisistextline.org) RAINN (rainn.org) Find A Helpline (findahelpline.com) Sources for Today's Episode: Vanity Fair Documentary “Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich” A report from CBS news NPR report Forbes Reconsidered Sources: DOJ — Maxwell sentenced to 20 years SDNY opinion & order, Jan 21, 2026 CNBC — Maxwell files habeas petition Boston Globe/AP — Judge rejects Maxwell's bid for release Bloomberg — Maxwell's prison transfer form released ABC News — Maxwell invokes the Fifth CBC — Maxwell takes the Fifth The Hill — Giuffre says she has 4 days to live CNN — Andrew arrested CBS — Andrew arrest; Maxwell's 2015 draft email on the photo ITV — Andrew's legal action over search warrants (Oct 5, 2026) PBS — Latest Epstein files release CNBC — Hyatt chairman Pritzker leaves board over Epstein ties The Hill — DOJ to appeal unredaction ruling Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced & Edited by James Varga Music by Dessert Media Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 394: A woman dies in a motor vehicle accident, but while police ruled it a horrible tragedy, her loved ones believe she was the victim of foul play… This is the Morgan Patten story. Morgan Patton was a driven geoscience student and engaged fiancée traveling from Martha's Vineyard to visit her partner at Camp Geiger in North Carolina. Her journey ended in tragedy when she was found deceased in a high-speed vehicle crash near an Applebee's, where she had spent her final evening. While police initially classified the incident as a simple DWI accident involving Marines Hunter Wells and Charles Cornwall, Morgan’s family and friends found the official narrative deeply troubling. They pointed to inconsistencies in the men’s stories, the lack of a secured crime scene, and Morgan’s cautious nature as evidence of foul play. Sources for Today's Episode: WMUR https://www.morgansmilestogo.com/ WNCT Jdnews.com True Crime with Kendall Rae episode titled “From Applebees to a Fatal Car Crash” Crime Junkie episode titled “The mysterious death of Morgan Patten” Sponsors: (using our promo codes, supports the show!) Shopify - Start your business today with the industry’s best business partner, Shopify, and start hearing ’CHA CHING’ ! Sign up for your $1-per-month trial today at Shopify.com/crimewomen Hungryroot - You’re going to love Hungryroot as much as we do. For a limited time get 40% off your first order PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/WAC, code WAC . Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced by James Varga Audio Editor, Jose Alfonzo Script Editor, Abagail Belcastro Music by Dessert Media Get Even More Women&Crime Episodes: Patreon - Ad-free shows starting at $2 a month, or upgrade for $5 a month to get a new extra episode every month, as well as exclusive virtual HappyHours with Meg & Amy. Check-out other tiers for perks such as lectures, true crime book club, and more! Visit our Patreon page for more info: https://www.patreon.com/womenandcrime/ Apple Subscriptions - Exclusive episodes and ad-free regular stories are now available through Apple's podcast app for only $4.99 a month, or save with an annual membership. YouTube Memberships - Exclusive episode available on YouTube for only $4.99 a month. https://www.youtube.com/@WomenandCrime/membership/ Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 393: Attorney Gregg Woodnick joins us to discuss representing former Bachelor Clayton Echard in the Laura Owens paternity case—the legal battle chronicled in the Love Trapped podcast. We explore the disputed pregnancy claims, altered medical records, and deposition testimony that helped expose inconsistencies, along with the online researchers who helped uncover evidence. From family court to criminal proceedings, Woodnick shares his perspective on the pursuit of accountability and the personal toll of prolonged litigation. We discuss Owens’s guilty plea and sentencing, the challenges of securing justice beyond a courtroom victory, and what this case reveals about evidence, due process, and the human cost of false allegations. Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced by James Varga Audio Editor, Music by Dessert Media Get Even More Women&Crime Episodes: Patreon - Ad-free shows starting at $2 a month, or upgrade for $5 a month to get a new extra episode every month, as well as exclusive virtual HappyHours with Meg & Amy. Check-out other tiers for perks such as lectures, true crime book club, and more! Visit our Patreon page for more info: https://www.patreon.com/womenandcrime/ Apple Subscriptions - Exclusive episodes and ad-free regular stories are now available through Apple's podcast app for only $4.99 a month, or save with an annual membership. YouTube Memberships - Exclusive episode available on YouTube for only $4.99 a month. https://www.youtube.com/@WomenandCrime/membership/ Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 392: Rosa Parks was the face of the Montgomery bus boycott, but it really all started with a teenage girl who never made the history books. This is the Claudette Colvin story. Sources for Today's Episode: Womenshistory.org Claudettecolvinfoundation.com NPR.org Biography.com BBC.com NYtimes.com Equal Justice Initiative.org Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced by James Varga Audio Editor, Jose Alfonzo Script Editor, Abagail Belcastro Music by Dessert Media Get Even More Women&Crime Episodes: Patreon - Ad-free shows starting at $2 a month, or upgrade for $5 a month to get a new extra episode every month, as well as exclusive virtual HappyHours with Meg & Amy. Check-out other tiers for perks such as lectures, true crime book club, and more! Visit our Patreon page for more info: https://www.patreon.com/womenandcrime/ Apple Subscriptions - Exclusive episodes and ad-free regular stories are now available through Apple's podcast app for only $4.99 a month, or save with an annual membership. YouTube Memberships - Exclusive episode available on YouTube for only $4.99 a month. https://www.youtube.com/@WomenandCrime/membership/ Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 391: Women & Crime: Reconsidered is where we revisit our episode catalog and bring new insights, behind the scenes or updates. Brand new episodes are STILL every Tuesday! Original Airdate: 07/26/22 In the summer of 1949, the FBI learned that secrets regarding the construction of the atomic bomb had been shared with soviet spies. An immediate investigation led to an arrest of several people, including a young mother of two. Was this woman part of a communist plot to sell our secrets or was she an innocent scapegoat swept up in one of the most sensational trials in U.S. history? This is the Ethel Rosenberg story Sources for Today's Episode: Ethel Rosenberg by Anne Sebba https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/rosenberg-ethel Life Magazine Several articles from the NY times FBI.gov Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced & Edited by James Varga Music by Dessert Media Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 390: A woman’s stay at a Costa Rica AirBnB ended in her murder. But whether the company holds any responsibility for her death is still in question. This is the Carla Stefaniak story. In November 2018, Carla Stefaniak flew to Costa Rica with her sister-in-law April Burton to celebrate her 29th birthday. Born in Venezuela and raised in South Florida, Carla was warm, adventurous and constantly in touch with her enormous extended family. When April flew home early, Carla booked one more night through Airbnb at Villa Buena Vista, an upscale gated condominium complex just outside San José — close to the airport, well reviewed, and staffed with on-site security. Then a storm rolled in, the power went out, and a FaceTime call ended abruptly at 9 p.m. Megan and Amy walk through Carla's final known hours, the account given by the overnight security guard, and the search mounted by police, volunteers and Carla's own relatives who flew down to look for her. Along the way they explore how Costa Rica's courts work, including why there are no jury trials in Costa Rica and what that means for a case like this. The second half turns to the civil side: the negligent hiring lawsuit filed in Florida, the limits of Airbnb liability when a platform merely connects travelers with hosts, and what this case should change about solo female travel safety. Sources for Today's Episode: CBS News ABC News The Washington Post Tampa Bay 28 WFTS Costa Rica Star News FOX 13 Tampa Miami Herald Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced by James Varga Audio Editor, Jose Alfonzo Script Editor, Abagail Belcastro Music by Dessert Media Get Even More Women&Crime Episodes: Patreon - Ad-free shows starting at $2 a month, or upgrade for $5 a month to get a new extra episode every month, as well as exclusive virtual HappyHours with Meg & Amy. Check-out other tiers for perks such as lectures, true crime book club, and more! Visit our Patreon page for more info: https://www.patreon.com/womenandcrime/ Apple Subscriptions - Exclusive episodes and ad-free regular stories are now available through Apple's podcast app for only $4.99 a month, or save with an annual membership. YouTube Memberships - Exclusive episode available on YouTube for only $4.99 a month. https://www.youtube.com/@WomenandCrime/membership/ Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Exclusive # 63: An actress’s death was ruled an accident, but over the decades, conflicting stories about what happened transformed this case into one of Hollywood's most enduring mysteries. This is the Natalie Wood story. Sources for Today's Episode: • 48 hours • Vanity Fair • Harpers Bazaar • People Magazine • The Guardian • Newsweek • Good Morning America • Time Magazine • BBC.org • CBS • Autopsyfiles.org Credits: • Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks • Produced & Edited by James Varga • Script Editor, Abagail Belcastro • Music by Dessert Media Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/

Ep 389: Women & Crime: Reconsidered is where we revisit our episode catalog and bring new insights, behind the scenes or updates. Brand new episodes are STILL every Tuesday! Original Airdate: 07/19/22 A young woman’s repeated cries for help begging for protection against a predator go unanswered by so many who were sworn to protect, resulting in a tragedy that could have been avoided at every turn. This is the Tiana Notice story. Sources for Today's Episode: An episode of Deadline: Crime with Tamron Hall The Washington Times True Crime Daily Courant.com Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced & Edited by James Varga Music by Dessert Media Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 388: On their honeymoon in Australia, newlywed Tina Watson died minutes into her first ocean dive — and almost immediately, questions emerged about how she ended up on the seafloor alone This is the Tina Watson story On their honeymoon in Australia, newlywed Tina Watson died minutes into her first ocean dive, sparking immediate questions about how she ended up on the seafloor alone. This episode explores the tragic story of Tina Thomas and Gabe Watson, whose relationship was marked by family tension and Gabe’s controlling behavior regarding scuba diving. Despite Tina’s limited experience and heart condition, the couple embarked on a week-long trip to the Great Barrier Reef, targeting the wreck of the SS Yungala, a site recommended only for experienced divers. Sources for Today's Episode: Casefile Podcast, Episode 51 Medium Tuscaloosa News; ABC CBS News NBC News BBC News The Guardian 7News.com Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced by James Varga Audio Editor, Jose Alfonzo Script Editor, Abagail Belcastro Music by Dessert Media Get Even More Women&Crime Episodes: Patreon - Ad-free shows starting at $2 a month, or upgrade for $5 a month to get a new extra episode every month, as well as exclusive virtual HappyHours with Meg & Amy. Check-out other tiers for perks such as lectures, true crime book club, and more! Visit our Patreon page for more info: https://www.patreon.com/womenandcrime/ Apple Subscriptions - Exclusive episodes and ad-free regular stories are now available through Apple's podcast app for only $4.99 a month, or save with an annual membership. YouTube Memberships - Exclusive episode available on YouTube for only $4.99 a month. https://www.youtube.com/@WomenandCrime/membership/ Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 387: Women & Crime: Reconsidered is where we revisit our episode catalog and bring new insights, behind the scenes or updates. Brand new episodes are STILL every Tuesday! Original Airdate: 07/12/22 For 23 years, the unsolved murder of this women was thought to be the result of a burglary gone wrong. The case would remain cold until 2009 when DNA evidence pointed to someone in very close proximity to the investigation. Sherri Rasmussen story. Sources for Today's Episode: https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2012/07/lapd-lazurus-murder-mystery-killer people.com Associated Press The Atlantic LA times Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced & Edited by James Varga Music by Dessert Media Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 386: Dr Sacks and Dr Shlosberg review the case with covered back in July 2023 (episode 137) and review the new developments, including her botched execution. Sponsors: (using our promo codes, supports the show!) Shopify - Start your business today with the industry’s best business partner, Shopify, and start hearing ’CHA CHING’ ! Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today at Shopify.com/crimewomen Hungryroot - You’re going to love Hungryroot as much as we do. For a limited time get 40% off your first order PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/WAC, code WAC . Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced by James Varga Music by Dessert Media Get Even More Women&Crime Episodes: Patreon - Ad-free shows starting at $2 a month, or upgrade for $5 a month to get a new extra episode every month, as well as exclusive virtual HappyHours with Meg & Amy. Check-out other tiers for perks such as lectures, true crime book club, and more! Visit our Patreon page for more info: https://www.patreon.com/womenandcrime/ Apple Subscriptions - Exclusive episodes and ad-free regular stories are now available through Apple's podcast app for only $4.99 a month, or save with an annual membership. YouTube Memberships - Exclusive episode available on YouTube for only $4.99 a month. https://www.youtube.com/@WomenandCrime/membership/ Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 385: Women & Crime: Reconsidered is where we revisit our episode catalog and bring new insights, behind the scenes or updates. Brand new episodes are STILL every Tuesday! Original Airdate: 07/05/22 When a 19-year-old woman is found deceased from an apparent suicide, an investigation revealed the victim’s involvement in a volatile love triangle. The evidence quickly gathered by police would point to not one, not two, but a trio of viable suspects with a motive to kill. This is the Devon Guzman Story Sources for Today's Episode: COMMONWEALTH v. HETZEL (2003, March 14). Caselaw. https://caselaw.findlaw.com/pa-superior-court/1315945.html Commonwealth v. Hetzel: Pennsylvania Superior Court Decisions. (2013, June 3). Justia Law. https://law.justia.com/cases/pennsylvania/superior-court/2013/2664-eda-2012.html Forensic Files: “Cries Unheard,” (S9, Episode 16). (2004). HETZEL v. LAMAS: 630 F.Supp.2d 563 (2009, June 22). Leagle.com. https://www.leagle.com/decision/20091193630befsupp2d56311137. Hetzel v. Lamas. (2010, March 24). AnyLaw. https://www.anylaw.com/case/hetzel-v-lamas/third-circuit/03-23-2010/bIEJPmYBTlTomsSBVrr_ Scorned: Love Kills. “Best Friends For Never” (Season 2, Episode 5). (2013, February 23). Writes, A. (2021, July 12). Love Triangle Ends in the Murder of 19-Year-Old Devon Guzman. Medium. https://medium.com/the-criminalist/love-triangle-ends-in-the-murder-of-19-year-old-devon-guzman-88fd92ebe29a Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced & Edited by James Varga Music by Dessert Media Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 384: When a pregnant mother of two is found dead inside her Houston home, investigators uncover a case that would ultimately stretch from Texas to Italy. This is the Christa Gilley story. Crista Gilley, was a dedicated physical therapist and mother of two found deceased in her Houston home in October 2024. Her husband, Lee Gilley, initially claimed she died from an accidental overdose or suicide, but medical evidence revealed signs of strangulation, leading to capital murder charges that included the unborn child. The discussion explores the complex legal landscape of fetal homicide statutes across different states, highlighting how Texas defines personhood from conception. As Lee was released on bond, he allegedly fled to Italy using fake documents, triggering a high-stakes international legal battle over extradition. We analyze the nuances of the extradition treaty between the U.S. and Italy, particularly regarding the potential application of the death penalty and life without parole. Sources for Today's Episode: People.com Houston Chronicle Legacy.com- obituary scstatehouse.gov aol.com CRBC NBC dateline Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced by James Varga Audio Editor, Jose Alfonzo Script Editor, Abagail Belcastro Music by Dessert Media Get Even More Women&Crime Episodes: Patreon - Ad-free shows starting at $2 a month, or upgrade for $5 a month to get a new extra episode every month, as well as exclusive virtual HappyHours with Meg & Amy. Check-out other tiers for perks such as lectures, true crime book club, and more! Visit our Patreon page for more info: https://www.patreon.com/womenandcrime/ Apple Subscriptions - Exclusive episodes and ad-free regular stories are now available through Apple's podcast app for only $4.99 a month, or save with an annual membership. YouTube Memberships - Exclusive episode available on YouTube for only $4.99 a month. https://www.youtube.com/@WomenandCrime/membership/ Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ep 383: Women & Crime: Reconsidered is where we revisit our episode catalog and bring new insights, behind the scenes or updates. Brand new episodes are STILL every Tuesday! Original Airdate: 06/28/22 Young mother, victim of drug war wrongly arrested, jailed, and indicted based on the word of a confidential informant… After being involved in a drug sweep… with no prior drug record, no evidence or any drugs found on her, Regina had a choice: plead guilty and go home to her four children as a convicted felon or remain in prison for potentially decades for a crime she did not commit. This is the Regina Kelly story. Sources for Today's Episode: essence.com pbs.org Radley Balko of Reason magazine’s YouTube Channel NPR aclu.org texasobserver.org Credits: Written and Hosted by Amy Shlosberg and Meghan Sacks Produced & Edited by James Varga Music by Dessert Media Help is Available: If you or someone you know is in a crisis situation, or a victim of domestic, or other violence, there are many organizations that can offer support or help you in your specific situation. For direct links to these organizations please visit https://womenandcrimepodcast.com/resources/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices