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Andy and Pavel unpack David Grusch’s latest Joe Rogan appearance, from human-looking beings and alleged alien encounters to his confidence that disclosure is coming. Why have his comments divided the UFO community, and where is the evidence? We also discuss Jake Barber’s claims of a cylindrical mothership releasing egg-shaped craft, the latest on Skywatcher, and what these increasingly extraordinary accounts mean for the disclosure conversation. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

Andy and Pavel unpack David Grusch’s latest Joe Rogan appearance, from human-looking beings and alleged alien encounters to his confidence that disclosure is coming. Why have his comments divided the UFO community, and where is the evidence? We also discuss Jake Barber’s claims of a cylindrical mothership releasing egg-shaped craft, the latest on Skywatcher, and what these increasingly extraordinary accounts mean for the disclosure conversation. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

David Grusch’s second Joe Rogan interview takes his UFO claims much further. But what did he actually say, what has changed, and what questions remain? Join me as I break down his account of retrieval footage showing human-looking bodies, alleged encounters with reptilian beings, NHI conflict, underwater bases and his prediction of disclosure before Trump leaves office. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

David Grusch’s second Joe Rogan interview takes his UFO claims much further. But what did he actually say, what has changed, and what questions remain? Join me as I break down his account of retrieval footage showing human-looking bodies, alleged encounters with reptilian beings, NHI conflict, underwater bases and his prediction of disclosure before Trump leaves office. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

Andy and Pavel break down Jay Stratton’s latest comments ahead of Out of the Shadows, including his claim that he can reveal “a lot more than people think,” previously untold UAP events, questions over the history of AAWSAP/AATIP and why government appears to keep starting again.  Plus, James Fox addresses the controversy surrounding Jason Sands and explains what he would have done differently, while Andy and Pavel discuss witness credibility, evidence, whistleblowers, government compartmentalisation and the latest Politico reporting around UAP secrecy. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

Andy and Pavel break down Jay Stratton’s latest comments ahead of Out of the Shadows, including his claim that he can reveal “a lot more than people think,” previously untold UAP events, questions over the history of AAWSAP/AATIP and why government appears to keep starting again. Plus, James Fox addresses the controversy surrounding Jason Sands and explains what he would have done differently, while Andy and Pavel discuss witness credibility, evidence, whistleblowers, government compartmentalisation and the latest Politico reporting around UAP secrecy. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In the final part of this members-only series, Daniel Sheehan joins me to discuss the age of the UFO whistleblower, the differing paths of David Grusch and Luis Elizondo, and the gatekeepers who continue to control access to classified information. We discuss whether whistleblowers should feel safe coming forward, who should ultimately control the disclosure process, the role of Congress versus the executive branch, and whether a new UAP governance structure can genuinely deliver transparency. Finally, Danny lays out what he sees as “Plan B” if the current disclosure effort fails — and what needs to happen after authoritative confirmation that we are not alone. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

** Support the pod & get your personalised plan - hims.com/thatufo ** Doomer Friday returns for a deep dive into another huge week in the UFO story. We break down Dylan Borland’s appearance with Sean Hannity, including his extraordinary claims about who, or what, may really be “running the show,” the implications of the abduction phenomenon, and the huge 100-foot equilateral triangle he says he witnessed. Plus, Robert Bigelow takes aim at NASA and argues for a dramatically expanded Space Force as the race for the Moon heats up, and we examine bizarre new footage from the Tonopah Test Range that appears to show something very unusual. Andy, Clint, Pavel, Dan and Justin get into disclosure, secrecy, experiencers, who is really in control, and what happens if governments simply don’t have the answers. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

Doomer Friday returns for a deep dive into another huge week in the UFO story. We break down Dylan Borland’s appearance with Sean Hannity, including his extraordinary claims about who, or what, may really be “running the show,” the implications of the abduction phenomenon, and the huge 100-foot equilateral triangle he says he witnessed. Plus, Robert Bigelow takes aim at NASA and argues for a dramatically expanded Space Force as the race for the Moon heats up, and we examine bizarre new footage from the Tonopah Test Range that appears to show something very unusual. Andy, Clint, Pavel, Dan and Justin get into disclosure, secrecy, experiencers, who is really in control, and what happens if governments simply don’t have the answers. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

Who is behind PURSUE, and why should UFO whistleblowers trust it? I’m joined by Pavel to discuss the unanswered questions around PURSUE’s call for whistleblowers, the viral footage from Tehran, and Jacques Vallée’s intriguing account of alleged communication with a non-human entity. We get into: • The Tehran “UFO”: something extraordinary, or LED lights on a kite?• PURSUE, transparency and the risks facing whistleblowers.• Matthew Brown and Vanguard’s efforts to support those coming forward.• UFO File Drop 6, including 1952 footage and Edward Ruppelt’s discussion of unexplained sightings.• Vallée’s “Gilbert” account and claims of contact in a controlled setting.• Trump, disclosure expectations and Chris Bledsoe’s October 7 prediction. Plus, why questioning a viral video doesn’t mean dismissing the UFO subject and what genuinely compelling evidence might mean for the wider world. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

Who is behind PURSUE, and why should UFO whistleblowers trust it? I’m joined by Pavel to discuss the unanswered questions around PURSUE’s call for whistleblowers, the viral footage from Tehran, and Jacques Vallée’s intriguing account of alleged communication with a non-human entity. We get into: • The Tehran “UFO”: something extraordinary, or LED lights on a kite? • PURSUE, transparency and the risks facing whistleblowers. • Matthew Brown and Vanguard’s efforts to support those coming forward. • UFO File Drop 6, including 1952 footage and Edward Ruppelt’s discussion of unexplained sightings. • Vallée’s “Gilbert” account and claims of contact in a controlled setting. • Trump, disclosure expectations and Chris Bledsoe’s October 7 prediction. Plus, why questioning a viral video doesn’t mean dismissing the UFO subject and what genuinely compelling evidence might mean for the wider world. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

What does Danny Sheehan believe is happening behind the secrecy surrounding UFOs and what supports his claims? In this extended preview of Unfinished Business, my new members-only series, I bring together around 90 minutes of conversations with lawyer Daniel Sheehan, built around your questions. We explore: • What evidence Danny would seek to establish the existence of non-human intelligence in court.• His proposed legal action concerning the alleged UFO legacy programme.• Grays, Nordics and Mantis beings and the distinction between testimony and physical evidence.• His reasons for believing ongoing communication is taking place.• Nuclear warnings: concern for humanity, or something we could be misinterpreting?• The Galactic Federation idea, speculation and what remains unknown.• His account of conversations with senior Catholic figures about life beyond Earth. Throughout, I ask Danny to explain his sources, reasoning and where he draws the line between evidence and interpretation. Unfinished Business gives us time to explore the listener questions we don’t get to in a regular interview. This supercut is a substantial taster of the longer conversations available in full to members. Hear or watch all four episodes by signing up to a membership below 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcastEmail: [email protected] links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In Part 3 of this exclusive four-part members series, Danny Sheehan joins me to examine some of the biggest claims surrounding secret craft, crash retrieval programmes and hidden technology. Danny discusses the alleged S-47 space fighter, claims that specialised craft could be deployed to intercept UAP, and what he describes as a system capable of detecting objects while they remain cloaked. We also explore: The National Security Space Association and its links to former defence, intelligence and aerospace officials Why the complete Roswell records remain classified nearly 80 years later Claims of technology capable of influencing thoughts and amplifying psychic abilities What Project Moon Dust and Project Blue Fly may reveal about organised retrieval operations How physical evidence allegedly disappears into military and intelligence channels The role of stigma in maintaining UFO secrecy Danny’s personal involvement with the controversial Buga Sphere Why genuine scrutiny matters in a subject filled with misinformation and hoaxes These are Danny Sheehan’s claims and interpretations, and they should be weighed against the available evidence. Thank you for supporting That UFO Podcast as a paid member. Your support makes exclusive series like this possible. Part 3 of 4. The final instalment will focus on whistleblowers, gatekeepers, protection, trust and accountability. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In Part Two, Karin Austin tells the story of meeting Harvard psychiatrist Dr John Mack and how their relationship changed the way she understood her experiences. Karin discusses Mack’s approach to people reporting extraordinary encounters, the work they did together, their friendship, his death and the efforts to preserve his legacy and archives. We then bring the conversation into the present day: the work surrounding the John Mack material and Rice University, attempts to study experiencer accounts more rigorously, and the difficult question of where experiencers belong in the modern UAP and disclosure conversation. We also discuss credibility, evidence, alleged implants, the dangers of treating every extraordinary claim equally, what Karin believes she knows versus what remains unknown, and where people struggling with unexplained experiences can currently turn for help. This is Part Two of my extended conversation with Karin Austin.  [email protected] 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In Part One of my conversation with Karin Austin, we explore the extraordinary experiences that have shaped her life. Karin describes unusual encounters going back to childhood before recounting the intense period of experiences that began again in her twenties - including missing time, apparent beings, altered states, out-of-body experiences and the encounter she says finally convinced her that at least part of what was happening was physically real. We also discuss how she continued living an ordinary life while dealing with experiences she could barely explain, the difference between the terms “abductee” and “experiencer,” and her attempts to find answers through NASA, SETI, MUFON and the medical community. Part One takes us right up to the moment Karin was introduced to the man who would change the course of her life: Dr John Mack.  [email protected] 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy