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Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy.
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Jewish-American Curator and Historian Aaron Levi Garvey on Documentation, Preservation and Storytelling
2026/10/11
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Show notes:
1:00 Aaron Levi Garvey’s background
2:30 art as a tool to create conversation
5:00 art to aid conversations on difficult topics
5:30 Vietnam Memorial in D.C.
6:30 The National Memorial for Peace and Justice in Montgomery, AL
7:15 Holocaust Memorial in Berlin, Germany
8:30 ALG’s curatorial work about memory, loss of memory and internal revisions of personal history
10:00 “You Should Have Been There” exhibition’s origin
13:00 artists included in “You Should Have Been There”
15:15 ALG’s documentation project “Histories in Hand” with Holocaust survivors about survival and object memory
23:30 increased outlets to spread antisemitism and a rise in denial of antisemitism and Holocaust denial
32:00 the importance of documentation
35:00 the need for allies to speak out as a way to shift culture
38:00 defining justice as a moving target – food sustainability, safety, freedom of thought
42:00 ALG’s hope that his work will inspire reflection
43:30 ALG’s efforts to bring his Jewish heritage forward through his work
47:00 ALG’s inquiry about the documentation of the podcast
50:00 how storytelling changes based on the lived experience of the teller
52:00 How the sacred moments of our lives shift our trajectories
55:00 ALG’s family background that he carries with him
57:30 a potential exhibition about the craft of watchmaking
59:50 objects for the “Histories in Hand” project
1:03:00 ripple effect of and stories shared in the “Histories in Hand” project
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AI & IP Panel Discussion: A Global Perspective Part IV
2026/09/27
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Show notes:
0:00 Inha Cha’s comments on the takeaway she hopes listeners have to the panel discussion
0:30 introduction by Stephanie Drawdy
2:10 introduction by Haneen Alkenany
2:42 introduction by Inha Cha
3:30 introduction by Patrick McGranaghan
4:30 HA–research with visual artists on use of AI in light of creative cognition theories on divergent thinking and convergent thinking
8:00 IC–research around selective choices of AI use in the workplace in light of questions around agency and identity
10:00 HA–mixed opinions by creatives on AI use
10:35 IC’s co-authored article entitled “The Values of Value in AI Adoption: Rethinking Efficiency in UX Designers' Workplaces” – workers as artisans seeking greater agency per Economist Joan M Greenbaum (1979. In the name of efficiency: Management theory and shopfloor practice in data processing work. Temple University)
13:50 HA–AI use as part of the creative process based on artists’ personal choices of when and how to use AI
15:10 PM–paradox created by AI: need to understand AI outputs to actively avoid AI patterns and to avoid having their works seen as less valuable if suspected to be generated by AI
18:15 PM-ChatGPT's use of Studio Ghibli
19:10 Emily Gould–increase in value of human-created work
19:50 use of GI indicator model to mark / certify human-authored work
20:30 PM–Christopher Nolan’s choice not to use AI in upcoming film, The Odyssey
22:00 HA–decision when to use AI depends on the context
23:00 IC–design life cycle for introduction of AI features and value of AI for users
26:00 HA–creators’ use of AI as a controlled collaborator but not decision-maker
27:00 Gould–view of AI as just another tool
27:50 HA–democratization through AI
28:50 IC-AI-generated actor as an ex. to question who is benefiting from AI democratization and the need for balance
31:15 IC–her article’s use in AI training based on platform's general consent language – ex. of how ‘consent’ is being stretched without creators having a voice in how their content is used
34:10 PM–public outrage response to use of creators’ work without consent, e.g., IG’s withdrawal of terms and conditions that allowed use of anyone’s photos after Twitter backlash erupted to those terms and conditions
36:20 EG–Adobe’s use of data without consent
37:35 PM–violations by platforms like IG and Adobe
38:35 EG’s question to HA about creatives’ view of their work used in training data
41:25 PM–UK collective management organisation Design and Artists Copyright Society (DACS)’s efforts to ensure dark patterns not used
42:45 HA–exaggerated fear of AI in her perspective
43:40 PM and HA on AI stages like the ideation cycle versus the story/experience and artist's intent behind their work
46:15 PM–posthumous rights in light of AI, e.g., Osamu Tezuka x AI Project
49:00 PM–AI-generated work based on Ansel Adams’ work without permission of AA Foundation
50:00 EG and PM-distinction between posthumous creation without AI versus with AI
53:00 IC–closing comments
53:30 HA–closing comments on creators’ thoughtful use of AI and HA’s personal use of AI
55:10 PM-closing thoughts
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ikonoTV Founder Elizabeth Markevitch on the Slow Art Movement, Democratizing Art & Her View of Justice
2026/08/30
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Show Notes:
1:40 Markevitch’s background as an Impressionist and Modernist expert
3:30 democratization of art like the music industry
4:30 accessibility of art and how art makes us feel
5:20 unfairness of the art industry’s elitist approach
8:00 Emily Gould-inquiry on how to bring more people into the art world
10:00 art world representative’s narrow perspective on criteria to be an artist
12:45 Markevitch’s creative prompts on YouTube and Instagram
14:00 Markevitch’s perspective on AI and art
17:25 Picasso’s mantra that “bad artists copy” and “good artists steal” and his style appropriation from African art
19:05 Astrologist Neil deGrasse Tyson’s perspective on art and AI
21:45 ikonoTV and its purpose to share a feeling
23:00 the Slow Art Movement
28:25 Gould’s inquiry about the experience of art online versus with community
29:00 Philosopher Walter Benjamin’s 1935 essay, “The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction”
30:00 feedback about ikono.tv that includes giving individuals courage to go to museums
34:15 placing art in hospitals
37:55 launch of ikono’s meditation app: slow, feel the calm
38:55 ikono.tv’s “projects we love” page, including an art survey app to develop your “emotional garden” about an event, Sentiko.app
50:00 future of ikonoTV to include all films that feature art
51:45 legacy that Markevitch hopes to be making with her work: to bring art to the people
52:30 Markevitch’s view on the power of art: “Art is what makes us human.”
53:30 Markevitch’s inspiration
54:00 how Markevitch defines justice
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Dr. Caterina Moruzzi on the Philosophy of Human Creativity and AI: Authenticity, Accountability and What the Material Aspects of Creativity Mean
2026/07/26
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Show notes:
0:00 – Caterina Moruzzi on knowing the needs that standards should respond to
1:30 results of the “Authenticity Unmasked” exhibition, part of the CREATEC project sponsored by UK’s BRAID (Bridging Responsible AI Divides) and UK Research and Innovation Programme
4:00 “Authenticity Unmasked” exhibition with 3 artists responding to how AI is changing authenticity: Georgia Gardner, Kinnari Saraiya, dmstfctn
8:00 interdisciplinary aim of BRAID
9:20 “Embracing the Complexities of Authenticity” project
13:45 standards should consider the level of diversity and detail creators want included with their work-ex: creator’s intent for why they used certain tools
16:30 distributing credit and authorship
17:35 types of authenticity discussed in the Content Authenticities article
19:20 ex: Beethoven
22:40 questions raised by the use of AI to build on works by deceased artists like the Beethoven X: AI project
25:30 Matt Dryhurst and Molly Herdon’s project of training AI model on choirs recorded across the UK
27:25 change to “originality” definition
32:00 US copyright approach and A Single Piece of American Cheese
34:40 blockchain use as seen through ORAgen
39:00 pillars of provenance standard – metadata, watermarking and fingerprint
41:00 concerns of creatives from economic harm to loss of identity
44:00 jurisdictional approaches to generative AI
46:50 EU AI Act’s mandatory transparency requirements to establish content provenance under code of practice on marking and labeling AI outputs
48:45 input of creators on policy like through C2PA community
52:45 defining justice for the creative sector: equity of agency and accountability/responsibility
55:40 mark CM hopes to make in her work-to find a proactive approach
59:00 collaborative book project of CM to rethink what the material aspects of creativity mean
1:01:00 Stefania Salles Bruins’ questions to CM
1:03:25 CM: AI versus artistic workshops of artists from Rembrandt to Koons
1:07:00 CM: opt out v opt out issues as seen with AI functionality on phones
1:10:00 Emily Gould's comments
1:13:00 AI agents-possible danger of anthropomorphizing AI agents
1:16:00 authenticity
1:17:00 case study related to responsibility-reporter in war zone who doesn’t want certain metadata disclosed as seen with Georgia Gardner’s exploration of an author’s process when they don’t want all info disclosed
1:19:20 face value of ‘responsibility’ in regard to liability and the ability to receive feedback on your work from the environment such as critics even if you don’t disclose your identity
1:21:30 what creativity is, what a work of art is
1:25:20 SSB: Tolstoy’s definition of great art as requiring universality, sincerity and specificity
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Hon. Simon Frankel & Prof. Stephen Urice on the 6th Edition of LEVA: Law, Ethics, and the Visual Arts
2026/06/28
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Show Notes:
0:00 Prof. Stephen Urice describes Law, Ethics, and the Visual Arts
1:30 Urice's background
3:25 Hon. Simon Frankel's background
6:00 SU: evolution of Law, Ethics, and the Visual Arts (LEVA)
9:00 SF: changes in LEVA, 6th Ed.
11:40 SF: 6th Ed.’s accessibility and increased framing
12:25 SU: 6th Ed.’s shift in perspective to a more centrist presentation
14:00 SF: 6th Ed.’s usefulness for a broad audience
15:20 SU: examples of stories in 6th Ed, e.g., Naruto v. Slater, (9th Cir. 2018)
16:00 SU: Brancusi v. US, 54 Treas. Dec. 428 (U.S. Customs Court 1928)
17:25 SF: variety of materials in LEVA, e.g., articles, statutes, transcripts, novels
18:20 SF: Examples of cases about the authenticity of works and the disconnect between legal judgments and art world valuations: Greenberg Gallery v. Bauman, 817 F. Supp. 167 (D.D.C. 1993), aff’d without opinion, 36 F.3d 127 (D.C. Cir. 1994) (Calder sculpture held to be authentic by the trial judge versus expert Klaus Perls’ rejection of the work)
20:30 SF: Herstand & Co. v. Gallery Gertrude Stein Inc., 211 A.D.2d 77 (N.Y. App. Div. 1995) (remand on authenticity of Balthus drawing despite Balthus' repudiation of the work)
22:40 SU: colorful settings and range of legal issues arising in art-related cases
24:45 ethical issues arising in art-related disputes, e.g., restitution claims
26:35 SF: Museum Studies Scholar Marie Malaro, the law makes us only bearable, not honorable.
27:00 Holocaust Expropriated Art Recovery Act of 2016; HEAR Act of 2025
31:50 LEVA website and its future resources
34:10 SU: AI-generated discussions about issues in LEVA, 6th Ed.
36:00 SU: 6th Ed. updates
37:05 SF: generative AI issues in pending suits
40:00 LEVA, 7th Ed.
41:30 Feedback from readers of 6th Ed.
42:15 Tax issues covered in 6th Ed.
45:50 SF: definition of justice
47:50 SU: ethical concerns in defining justice to aim for honor
50:00 SF: mark he hopes to be making
50:55 SU: mark he hopes to be making with LEVA
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Art Lawyer Patrick McGranaghan on AI, Copyright and the Collision of Culture and Infrastructure
2026/06/14
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Show Notes:
1:35 Patrick McGranaghan’s background
2:45 McGranaghan’s work with Pierre Valentin
3:05 focus on collision of culture and infrastructure
4:45 “evidential fog” around AI in the arts
6:00 abstract nature of these AI issues
7:00 his writing on these issues to navigate these issues
8:30 EU’s AI framework “recognizes the structural nature of the problem” – can’t be minor updates to old copyright debates, “AI creates problems of scale, opacity and jurisdictional arbitrage that traditional legal categories do not solve very elegantly.”
10:00 incentive for jurisdiction shopping
11:40 Getty v. Stability AI in the UK
14:05 EU AI Act’s extraterritorial obligations
15:00 EU AI Act, Article 53: general purpose models brought into EU must comply with EU copyright law, including opt out reservations; and detailed summary of training data
17:55 UK’s approach is more exposed to loopholes
19:25 opt in versus opt out systems
21:35 Kadrey v. Meta
22:55 the burden placed on creators by the opt out system
25:45 sporadic licensing deals and unclear remuneration standard
27:30 interoperability
28:40 impact of robots.txt
31:15 Alan Robertshaw re: impact of AI on the practice of law
34:50 AI defamation cases
36:20 McGranaghan - need for lawyers regardless of AI
37:25 Robertshaw - legal professions’ varied approaches to AI
38:55 AI and astronomy
40:30 moral conflict with not compensating artists
43:00 justices/injustices related to AI
46:45 market harm created by AI
49:25 definition of justice
53:05 protections that artists can use, e.g., robots.txt, metadata, units based protection, Glaze and Nightshade
58:00 mark Patrick hopes to make around AI and art
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Artists' Rights at Risk: From State Sovereign Immunity to Generative AI
2026/05/25
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Cover photo of Rick Allen - copyright Cindy Burnham, Lucky Shot Productions
Show Note:
0:00 Nautilus Productions' Co-Founder Rick Allen gives the history of Allen v. McCrory - suit against NC over Allen's footage of the Queen Anne's Revenge Shipwreck
1:20 SCOTUS’ 9-0 decision in Allen v. Cooper that the Copyright Remedy Clarification Act of 1990 (CRCA) was unconstitutional
2:00 NC’s technical arguments against Allen’s claims
2:55 court's use of pendant jurisdiction to wipe out 5 years of Allen’s case
3:45 petition for rehearing en banc denied
6:45 states’ use of sovereign immunity against creators
8:50 Jeff Sedlik’s suit over use of his photo of Miles Davis as a tattoo
9:30 Michael J. Bynum’s suit over Texas A&M University’s unauthorized use of Bynum’s 12th Man book (complaint here; dismissal of copyright infringement claims against A&M employee discussed here)
11:00 Allen’s recommendations to artists to protect their work online
13:35 Emily Gould’s discussion of LAION case
17:00 Bartz v. Anthropic - 23 June 2025 Order on Fair Use in N.D. Cal.
19:50 Allen on opt out policy
20:20 Visual Artists Copyright Reform Act (VACRA)
21:00 Gould on survey by DACS (the Design and Artist’s Copyright Society)
23:00 response to UK government’s consultations
24:00 UK House of Lord’s hearings
24:30 Allen on artists not understanding impact of generative AI
26:00 Gould on UK judgment from trial in Getty v. Stability
28:50 Gould on judgment in GEMA v. Open AI
31:55 Lauren Stein on ChatGPT and law school's encouragement to use AI
33:00 Getty v. Stability in UK – Getty’s drop of direct infringement claim and appeal of ruling on secondary infringement claim
35:50 UK’s Section 9(3) - copyright protection for original work created by a machine
39:20 Stein on copyrightability and Japan’s approach to sufficient human authorship
41:40 Gould on Beijing Internet Court's judgment in Li v. Liu
42:05 Allen’s position on AI
44:00 Gould on authenticity and human contribution
47:35 Ed Newton-Rex
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Multidisciplinary Artist Zoë Buckman on Agency, Jewish Personhood & Multiple Truths
2026/05/03
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Photo of Zoë Buckman by Abbey Drucker
show notes:
1:10 background as a multi-media visual artist
7:00 Buckman’s dialogue with agency
9:25 her use of embroidery
10:40 filmmaking
11:00 Show Me Your Bruises, Then
14:25 exhibition at the Perez Museum
18:50 power of art
22:00 Artist Tracey Ehmann
23:45 exploration of personal issues in her work
26:15 her work on Jewish personhood
34:30 erasure and gaslighting of Jewish artists
37:00 show at Mindy Solomon Gallery
41:00 Jewish people’s complicated relationship with the home
42:45 her definition of justice / injustice
45:40 how her work addresses her view of justice / injustice
49:30 use of vintage textiles
51:45 coffee table book
52:45 2027 NY show
53:30 collaboration with Actress Cush Jumbo
54:50 the legacy Buckman hopes to make with her work
56:15 multiple truths she addresses in her work
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TEDx Speaker Ronnie Stephens on His Legacy Journey as a Member of the Quapaw and Cherokee Tribes, the Impact of NAGPRA, How Best to Preserve and Celebrate Native American Culture & the Importance of Storytelling
2026/04/19
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1:50 background of Ronnie’s “legacy journey” as a member of the Quapaw and Cherokee Tribes
3:30 1897 allotment of 240 acres to Stephens' great-grandfather
4:30 Quapaw Tribe’s relocation from Arkansas to Oklahoma
6:30 McGirt v. Oklahoma, 140 S. Ct. 2452 (2020)
9:00 issues identified by Tribal Leaders
10:50 Dawes Commission and Burke Act
17:00 management of allotted land
19:25 Emily Gould – question about allotted land
24:45 Keeping Traditions Alive exhibition
26:20 Killers of the Flower Moon rewritten with input from Osage Nation
27:55 Echo film involved input from Choctaw Nation
30:00 Alan Robertshaw–Prey-film with Native American heroine
31:55 Dark Winds series
33:30 policy shifts needed
38:30 NAGPRA and its amendments
43:45 education needed for cultural sensitivity
46:00 BBC Documentary: Rich Hall’s Inventing the Indian
49:20 Lauren Gowler–question about historic US federal laws
55:00 definition of justice
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Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers' Director & Founder Alana Kushnir on Antisemitism in the Arts, Education on the Depth of Jewish Culture and History, and the Moral Component of Justice
2026/03/28
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Show Notes:
1:45 update since Alana’s 2021 interview at Ep. 43
3:45 rebranding to Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers
5:00 LinkedIn posts by Alana and Guest Work Agency
8:00 antisemitism in the arts
13:00 resignation from Australian Centre for Contemporary Art’s Board
13:35 Australian news article led to her public cancellation
15:55 Serpentine Gallery's removal of her after 5 years as the lead on its research programme, The Legal Lab
20:00 steps forward to address hypocrisy in the arts sector
20:55 service on Jewish Museum of Australia’s board
21:40 her curation of Chutzpah: Spirit. Recollection. Self.
23:20 Georgian Artist Nina Sanadze's “Call to Peace” Series
27:40 Sanadze’s use of flowers from Bondi Massacre in future sculpture
30:30 Israeli-German Artist Elinor Sahm’s "Ha'layla"
31:30 Simm’s family archive used to show a Jerusalemite-Sepheradic “Hafla” (traditional celebration and gathering)
33:35 Alana's aim to bring back the depth of Jewish culture and history
37:25 Alana’s dream project to highlight the Jewish community's contribution to Australia's culture, especially Jewish women
39:30 education to bring together Jewish and non-Jewish communities
42:50 current relevance of the Holocaust
45:00 Jewish community from former USSR at the Bondi massacre
46:50 moral courage as a form of justice
48:00 legacy to create culture not fear, to emphasize integrity and loyalty
49:15 her work with Arts Patron and Hospitality Icon Rinaldo Di Stasio
50:05 Di Stasio’s commission of Artist Sean Gladwell for a moving image work in flagship restaurant, Di Stasio Città
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Iranian-Italian Actor Isabella Nefar on Resilience, Censorship and the Power of Storytelling
2026/02/22
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Show notes:
1:30 background
3:30 My English Persian Kitchen
5:15 Sheherazade, narrator of One Thousand and One Nights
5:45 My English Persian Kitchen author Atoosa Sepehr’s efforts to address misconceptions about Iranians
7:30 Reading Lolita in Tehran
9:45 choice of roles that challenge the stereotype about Iranians
10:10 Apple TV series Tehran
12:00 defenders of human rights
14:25 response to Iran’s formal and psychological censorship of creative community
16:45 Artist Soheila Sokhanvari
18:30 Women Life Freedom movement
21:00 global response to human rights’ violations in Iran
23:00 the meaning of justice in terms of accountability
24:20 future projects
27:25 legacy / mark of her work
28:55 creative process and connection with other creatives
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Multidisciplinary Artist Bayeté Ross Smith on Art, Technology and Restorative Justice
2026/02/01
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multidisciplinary artist/visual journalist/filmmaker/education worker Bayeté Ross Smith
Show Notes:
2:00 Bayeté Ross Smith’s background, work and collaboration
7:00 relevance of colonialism in transnational issues
9:50 collective brain trust/collective culture
14:30 employing technology with storytelling
20:30 creatives’ protection of their metadata
24:40 “art” and “data” as information
27:50 “human authorship” and copyright
34:25 bias proliferation with AI
39:40 power of art and media to raise awareness
44:50 “restorative justice” to mitigate and deter harm so individuals can flourish
54:00 current and future projects, including Got the Power Boomboxes: Sugar Cane and Cotton, Hip Hop 50 Boombox, video game project and collaboration with legal community
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Steven Gambardella on Stoicism: Its Benefits and Paradoxes
2026/01/18
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Show Notes:
1:15 background in the arts
4:00 Dutch philosopher Spinoza’s parallels with Hellenistic philosophies
5:20 Gambardella’s Become As You Are
7:30 “Stoic Kitsch” blog post
9:00 individual agency and collective action
11:00 crisis of agency
11:20 emergence of stoicism
14:00 four-fold root of virtue
20:10 four facets of autonomy, perspective, objectivity and control and their relation to the four virtues of wisdom, moderation, justice and courage/fearlessness
21:25 Steven's blog
21:45 Stoic view of justice relates to ignorance
26:00 moralism
27:00 Seneca, tutor and advisor to Roman emperor Nero
32:00 applying ancient Stoic ideas in current day
35:35 Stoicism and Philosophy Reading Group
38:30 summary of Stoicism: Virtue is the only good; and you have full control over the domain of your soul/your “inner citadel”
40:20 Stoicism at a crossroads
43:45 his hope to contribute to a revolution of the soul that encourages a view of the world that is more holistic and spiritual
45:40 Question from Susanne van der Meer about the paradox in Stoicism about the responsibility of agency versus a Stoic view of incarceration
55:00 Stoic view of fear and desire
1:00:00 Comments from Emily Gould
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Italian IP, New Tech and Art Law Lawyer Massimo Sterpi on Issues Raised by Generative AI and the Future of Agentic AI
2026/01/04
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IP attorney Massimo Sterpi
Massimo Sterpi photo by Eolo Perfido
Show Notes:
1:30 Sterpi’s work with emerging tech
2:30 shift in use of emerging tech/arts issues
3:55 Brazilian artist Eduardo Kac's transgenic work
4:30 blockchain / NFT as a testing area
5:10 generative AI and copyright
6:20 copyrighted works as training data
12:25 11 Nov 2025 judgment by Munich Regional Court in GEMA v. OpenAI (Case No. 42 O 14139/24)
14:20 fair use in the US
17:05 copyright of outputs
23:55 "A Single Piece of American Cheese"
26:00 Gema decision’s impact on OpenAI’s business model
29:00 UK decision in Getty v. Stability AI
32:30 harmonisation
34:20 collective licensing as a solution for AI training
36:20 view of justice/injustice with emerging tech in the arts
38:40 cultural impact of emerging tech
42:00 Christie’s auction of "Portrait of Edmond de Belamy"
43:40 2024 Venice Biennale - The Conference on Art and AI’s “The Neo-Synthetic: A Dialogue on Art, A.I., and Emergent Aesthetics”
44:30 expanding area regarding the roles involved in outputs
46:40 authenticity becoming enigmatic
47:00 attempts to create digital scarcity
47:55 different standards of creativity
48:30 neighboring rights for AI
50:00 Italy’s protection of “simple photographs” versus “photographic works”
50:40 UK’s Section 9(3) copyright of outputs fictionally attributed to human involved
52:40 Agentic AI
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Artist Marina Heintze on Art, Activism and the Holocaust
2025/12/21
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Show Notes:
1:00 Heintze’s background in the arts
2:30 sculptures of Heintze's father
3:30 Heintze’s use of materials
5:30 current events addressed in Heintze’s work
6:20 Politics series – gerrymandering
7:25 Bullet proof vests – assassinations and deviseness
7:45 Holocaust addressed in her work like “Gentian Violet Violence”
8:30 "Yitler” and “Dog Whistle” pieces
9:50 Heintze’s family research that led her to work with bone planters
11:20 archival research used in her work
13:35 "The eyes are the windows to the neshama/soul"
15:20 Lure series regarding nefarious organizations
19:50 how/whether her works address justice/injustice
21:50 work related to B2 bombers
22:50 Tunnel Talk / Vision series
27:25 feedback on Tunnel Talk / Vision series
31:40 Banksy image removed from Royal Courts of Justice
34:15 Holocaust denial and free speech
36:40 Alan Robertshaw – importance of work on the Holocaust
38:45 David Irving v Penguin Books and Deborah Lipstadt – 1996 UK Judgment
42:20 facts of genocide/terrorist acts
48:10 camouflage IP
50:30 design of Arab nation flags
Please share your comments and/or questions at [email protected]
Music by Toulme.
To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.
To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at [email protected].
Thanks so much for listening!
This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.
© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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