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In this episode of So, About That…, host Jordan Hora takes a deep dive into "Black Experiences Off Script" and what the 2025–2026 awards season unintentionally revealed about the way Black people are perceived, celebrated, and scrutinized. From the Teyana Taylor/bodyguard Oscars incident to the "braids undone" comment at the BAFTAs and its aftermath, to the national conversation pitting Sinners against One Battle After Another, this awards season became a case study in how quickly public narratives can reinforce systems that leave Black people unprotected—even in moments of extraordinary achievement. So, About That… – This podcast is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠⁠ ⁠⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! ⁠⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠⁠ Join us on Patreon! A unique creative hub curated by tastemakers in culture, entertainment, literature, art, conversations and beyond. Join the WATZS Dome for exclusive behind the scenes content. ⁠SUBSCRIBE HERE⁠ Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials:  ⁠⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠⁠/ ⁠⁠@JordanHora ⁠⁠ /  ⁠⁠Threads:Jordan Hora⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠@thewatzspod⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of So, About That…, host Jordan Hora takes a hard look at the professional advice many of us were taught to follow without question. "Fake it till you make it." "Keep your head down and work hard." "Straighten your hair if you want to get promoted." "No one cares about you—just perform." But what happens when the rules we were given were never designed with us in mind? Jordan explores the gap between the promise of success and the reality of pursuing it, examining the hidden costs of workplace conformity, performative professionalism, and career advice that often demands authenticity be sacrificed for acceptance. So, About That… – This podcast is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠⁠ ⁠⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! ⁠⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠⁠ Join us on Patreon! A unique creative hub curated by tastemakers in culture, entertainment, literature, art, conversations and beyond. Join the WATZS Dome for exclusive behind the scenes content. ⁠SUBSCRIBE HERE⁠ Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials:  ⁠⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠⁠/ ⁠⁠@JordanHora ⁠⁠ /  ⁠⁠Threads:Jordan Hora⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠@thewatzspod⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of So, About That…, host Jordan Hora examines the explores the hidden social rules that quietly shape opportunity, perception, and belonging. From dining etiquette and dress codes to email tone, vacations, introductions, and even splitting the bill, we unpack the unspoken markers that often signal class, privilege, and access. Through conversations around Black cultural etiquette, white-collar “professionalism,” and the realities of luxury culture, this episode challenges what society labels as “proper” and asks a deeper question: Are we teaching refinement—or reinforcing exclusion? So, About That… – This podcast is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠⁠ ⁠⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! ⁠⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠⁠ Join us on Patreon! A unique creative hub curated by tastemakers in culture, entertainment, literature, art, conversations and beyond. Join the WATZS Dome for exclusive behind the scenes content. ⁠SUBSCRIBE HERE⁠ Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials:  ⁠⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠⁠/ ⁠⁠@JordanHora ⁠⁠ /  ⁠⁠Threads:Jordan Hora⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠@thewatzspod⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of So, About That…, host Jordan Hora examines the blurry line between gossip and sharing your experience. The central question: Where’s the line between protecting your community and destroying someone’s reputation? Where is the line between gossip, processing, and pattern recognition? In a world of hot takes and shady group texts, what do we call what we’re doing when we “just want to vent”? Radical Question: When does information sharing become identity shaping? So, About That… – This podcast is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠⁠ ⁠⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! ⁠⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠⁠ Join us on Patreon! A unique creative hub curated by tastemakers in culture, entertainment, literature, art, conversations and beyond. Join the WATZS Dome for exclusive behind the scenes content. ⁠SUBSCRIBE HERE⁠ Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials:  ⁠⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠⁠/ ⁠⁠@JordanHora ⁠⁠ /  ⁠⁠Threads:Jordan Hora⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠@thewatzspod⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this special episode of So, About That…, host Jordan Hora blends tenderness with a little side-eye to unpack the generational lessons about love we absorbed — whether we asked for them or not. From family dynamics and chosen community to emotional restraint, public affection, and vulnerability, this conversation explores the quiet messages passed down through households, churches, movements, and social timelines. This isn’t just about dating. It’s about non-romantic love, self-love that isn’t performative, and the idea of love as liberation — not just aesthetic. So, About That… – This podcast is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠ ⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! ⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠ Join us on Patreon! A unique creative hub curated by tastemakers in culture, entertainment, literature, art, conversations and beyond. Join the WATZS Dome for exclusive behind the scenes content. SUBSCRIBE HERE Check out the WATZS Podcast Network HERE and drop us a line. Follow me on socials:  ⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠/ ⁠@JordanHora ⁠ /  ⁠Threads:Jordan Hora⁠ / ⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠ / ⁠@thewatzspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of "So, About That...," Jordan Hora explores holiday reflection on rewriting joy, one tradition at a time. This episode explores how we celebrate the holidays when our lives don’t follow the traditional scripts. From sending solo holiday cards to redefining what joy looks like under your own roof, we reflect on rituals, representation, and the quiet courage it takes to show up fully in the season you're actually living not just the one people expect. Whether you’re single, starting over, thriving, or rethinking how you mark the moment, this conversation is for anyone crafting meaning in nontraditional ways. Let’s talk about the customs, courage, and creativity that help us honor the holidays on our own terms. So, About That… This show is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠ ⁠ ⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials     ⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠     ⁠@JordanHora ⁠    ⁠ Threads: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠@thewatzspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of "So, About That...," Jordan Hora explores the stories we’re living and the ones we’re still writing. From the actual books that have shaped us to the metaphorical chapters we’re editing in real time, we reflect on authorship, self-discovery, and what it means to turn the page even when the path ahead isn’t clear. Whether we're in a plot twist, a pause, or starting fresh, this conversation is for anyone rethinking how their story unfolds. Let’s talk about the books, beliefs, and breakthroughs that are helping us write the next chapter with intention. So, About That… This show is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠ ⁠ ⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials     ⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠     ⁠@JordanHora ⁠    ⁠ Threads: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠@thewatzspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of "So, About That...," Jordan Hora explores before there was Coachella, there was the Yard. From School Daze to Drum-line, this episode celebrates the fictional HBCU homecomings that shaped Black pop culture and why those onscreen celebrations still echo in our real-life traditions today. Jordan reflects on how homecoming isn’t just a party, but a political, spiritual, and cultural pilgrimage. And we ask: what are we coming home to now? What’s worth preserving, remixing, or retiring in how we show up for one another? So, About That… This show is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠ ⁠ ⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials     ⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠     ⁠@JordanHora ⁠    ⁠ Threads: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠@thewatzspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of "So, About That...," Jordan Hora explores how we didn’t just wake up in a world where truth feels optional, manipulation is profitable, and dysfunction is binge-worthy—it happened moment by moment. This installment will trace 15 cultural, political, and tech-driven shifts that slowly unraveled our collective sense of what’s ethical, acceptable, or even real.   So, About That… This show is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠ ⁠ ⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials     ⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠     ⁠@JordanHora ⁠    ⁠ Threads: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠@thewatzspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this installment of "So, About That...," the amazing Jordan Hora returns from Summer Break to delve into a realm where, why dating feels more like content than connection, how "talking stages" get soft-launched and breakups get hard-filtered, modern dating feels less like intimacy and more like Instagram strategy. In this episode, she’s unpacking why connection keeps getting lost in the scroll how algorithm-approved advice, aesthetic expectations, and emotional thirst traps have turned dating into digital theater.  So, About That… This show is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠ ⁠ ⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials     ⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠     ⁠@JordanHora ⁠    ⁠ Threads: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠@thewatzspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of "So, About That.... becoming”. Jordan explores the idea that many of us articulate. We say ‘do the work,’ but only if it’s pretty. We say ‘show your journey,’ but not the days you’re curled up in the dark. We want people to rise but silently, stylishly, and without too much mess. Let’s talk about the contradictions we place on transformation. So, About That… This show is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠ ⁠ ⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials     ⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠     ⁠@JordanHora ⁠    ⁠ Threads: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠@thewatzspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of "So, About That...", Jordan Hora delves into the discussion of failure. Not every project that fails should be forgotten. Many of the most remarkable creative pieces initially bombed before gaining appreciation. Today, we honor the outcasts, the misinterpreted, and the brilliant works that didn't resonate at first. So, About That… This show is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠ ⁠ ⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials     ⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠     ⁠@JordanHora ⁠    ⁠ Threads: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠@thewatzspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of "So, About That...", Jordan Hora delves into the ways your ‘For You’ page can often be both noisy and misguided. From fixation on 'no contact' to labeling relationships as 'just a trauma bond,' social media has transformed every individual into an amateur life coach. Today, we are highlighting harmful perspectives, untrained advisors, and the importance of honoring your inner voice over regurgitated tweets. So, About That… This show is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠ ⁠ ⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials     ⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠     ⁠@JordanHora ⁠    ⁠ Threads: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠@thewatzspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of "So, About That...", Jordan Hora explores the concept of femininity. At some point, femininity evolved into both a societal expectation and a constraint. But who has the authority to determine what femininity should represent? What is the outcome for those who don’t conform—who are perceived as too loud, too dark-skinned, too strong, too soft, or simply 'not enough'? Today’s discussion focuses on femininity—the power it embodies, its political implications, and how Black women in particular are confronting and redefining the restrictive frameworks surrounding it. Femininity does not adhere to a single shape, color palette, or level of expression. Let's reclaim it from confinement and allow it to flourish according to our own definitions. So, About That… This show is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠ ⁠ ⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials     ⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠     ⁠@JordanHora ⁠    ⁠ Threads: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠@thewatzspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of "So, About That...", Jordan Hora delves into the phenomenon of fandom culture. She provides an overview of significant fandoms such as Marvel, Harry Potter, BeyHive, Hillman College, and anime. Additionally, she examines the concept of “fandom” and its impact on contemporary society, tracing the journey of fandoms from small-scale communities to influential global entities. So, About That… This show is sponsored by the hit show “Frame of Reference.”⁠ ⁠ ⁠WATCH NOW HERE!⁠ The series explores the vulnerable and often hectic lives of a close knit-group of friends and provides a truthful evaluation of how fear and past misfortunes can define our present point of view. Season one is currently on Prime Video! Check out the WATZS Podcast Network ⁠HERE⁠ and drop us a line. Follow me on socials     ⁠@soaboutthatpod  ⁠     ⁠@JordanHora ⁠    ⁠ Threads: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠ Facebook: Jordan Hora⁠    ⁠@thewatzspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices