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As a gift for being a speaker at Mixed Remixed, a conference with corporate sponsorship by 23andMe, Maria Leonard Olsen received a free DNA test. Weeks later, when the results came back, Maria was shocked when the results identified genetic ancestry that didn't match her family's story...and led to the realization that the father who raised her wasn't biologically related. Maria's discovery that she's an NPE was one in a series of major life shocks she has weathered. From surviving childhood trauma to achieving sobriety, Maria has turned the adversity she's faced into inspiring TEDx talks, a podcast, presentations, and multiple books. Her next book, which covers the gamut of topics raised by consumer DNA testing, is due out in 2026. In our conversation, we covered: The identity shift that comes from finding out the father who raised you is not biologically-related Meeting new biological relatives (including her biological father, who was also surprised to find out about her)The challenges in embracing a shift in your cultural and ethnic identity in adulthood, after having formed a coherent personal identityHow others in the family reacted to the surprise DNA news (including her mother's reaction, and her son's)Sharing your personal story to encourage others to grab hold of their lives and create their own meaning and purposeMaria's top three takeaway messages from her upcoming book about DNA surprises We also chat about the book Maria will be publishing in 2026 that brings the DNA test industry and surprise DNA discoveries into the spotlight for the general audience who might not yet have encountered a DNA surprise. Maria's professional background as a lawyer and her up-close-and-personal experience of a DNA discovery make her a powerful figure in the world of DNA support and a fitting guest for this next episode of DNA Clarity and Support. You can read Maria's full bio and history: On WatershedDNA.com and On Maria's website, marialeonardolsen.com

DNA discoveries often arrive without warning, reshaping families in ways that are both tender and complex. It’s not too often we hear from the parents in a DNA discovery, and even less often that a surprised biological father shares his experience. Today’s guest, Arnold (shared with permission), reflects on the past six years since he first learned he had a biological daughter he never knew existed. His story is one of vulnerability and openness, of loss and healing, and finding courage to reveal a surprise child discovery after years of choosing not to share. This episode covers: Arnold’s experience of preparing to share about his biological child discovery, first with his wife and later his children Arnold (and his late wife’s) decision to meet his biological daughter in person and develop a relationship with her privately Finding community with other bio dads and from online support groups How coaching with Brianne set him up for success in sharing the surprise news Stories like Arnold’s remind us that surprise DNA discoveries are not a one-time event. They unfurl over multiple years, changing lives irreversibly. They send some people through grief first on the way to healing. The ripples of secrets keep going through generations until someone decides it’s time for something different. Arnold’s journey is the experience of one person and their decisions. No two surprise DNA discoveries are the same. What Arnold’s story teaches is that preparation can’t be rushed. Growth comes in unexpected ways and can’t be set by anyone else’s timeline. Perhaps most importantly, new family connections—when handled with care—can become a source of new family relationship, and meaning can come again even after unexpected and devastating losses. Read more from Arnold's original post in 2019 and his recent update on the Watershed DNA blog. Have a question for Arnold? Leave a comment! He's promised to come back on a future episode to answer listeners' pressing questions.

In this episode of DNA Clarity and Support, Brianne talks with Jen Jacober, a genetic counselor who brings a deeply personal perspective to her work. Jen is a late-discovery donor-conceived person, and she opens up about what it was like to learn this truth as an adult—and how that experience has shaped her understanding of herself and influenced her professional practice. Our conversation explores the intersection of personal experience and genetic counseling, offering insight into what it means to navigate both sides of the story: as the helper and the helped, the counselor and the client, the DNA test consumer and genetics educator. This episode covers: the impact on Jen’s professional work as a genetic counselor after her donor conception discovery memories from the conversation with her mom online therapy sessions to work through the discovery advice for parents who need to share about donor conception with their adult child meeting other genetic counselors who are also DCPs the challenge and need for continuing education for genetic counselors on donor conception issues the status of her relationship with her mom experiencing the loss of her father identifying and communicating with her egg donor Read Jen’s guest blog post and reach out to her ([email protected]) if you’d like to connect. Resources mentioned in this episode include Donor Sibling Registry and MPEcounseling.org, the latter being a directory of counselors and therapists specializing in supporting clients through their DNA and misattributed parentage discoveries. Like what you heard today? Drop us a comment to let us know what you liked about this episode and hope to hear from future episodes! A note for parents: Need help preparing to share about donor conception with your adult child? Read more here, and reach out to Watershed DNA for help. Sharing with your child about their donor conception is important, and you don’t have to go it alone!

Maggy was the family genealogist who dedicated her heart and time to developing the family tree branches far and wide. A month after distributing a book of their genealogy to her excited family, she discovered the book no longer included her. Over the past 12-and-a-half years since her surprise DNA discovery, Maggy has been on a long and winding journey grappling with her identity and navigating changes in her relationships. Maggy shares encouragement with other NPEs and advice for finding the community that fits your needs. She shares her experience of using a painful discovery to help others (and help yourself in the process).  Read the two guest posts Maggy wrote about her experiences: Self Identity Reflections from Maggy Eight Years of Life as an NPE This episode covers: The NPE (not parent expected) experienceWriting as a means of healingIdentity shifts over timeNature and nurtureBecoming a DNA search helper for othersFinding communityTurning a painful experience into support for others Hang around to the end of this conversation because Maggy and I also delve into the related but distinct DNA topic of forensic genetic genealogy! Also called investigative genetic genealogy (IGG), this is the application of DNA testing, match lists, and online family trees to solve genetic mysteries, missing persons, and crimes. Those interested in more on the IGG topic can also learn more from the interview with  J.C. Kenney in season 2. Two search angel groups get a special shout-out in this episode. These are places I commonly refer my clients, readers, and listeners. If you reach out to these groups to seek help or to become a search angel, be sure to let them know Watershed DNA sent you! DNAngels.org DiscoverFamily.net Like what you heard? Follow DNA Clarity and Support and never miss an episode!

Gabrielle Glaser is a New York Times bestselling author and journalist whose work on mental health, medicine, and culture has appeared in The New York Times Magazine, The New York Times, and many other publications. Her fourth book "American Baby: A Mother, a Child, and the Shadow History of Adoption" chronicles the history of adoption in post-World War II America specifically through the story of one family touched by adoption. On today's episode, Glaser talks with DNA Clarity and Support host Brianne Kirkpatrick Williams about the history of coerced adoption in the United States and the influence of culture and stigma on women who under other circumstances might have chosen to parent. Glaser comments on the most shocking discovery she made while researching the history of American adoptions in the post-war era and comments on the frequency of DNA testing in the stories she heard while writing American Baby. The guest and host reflect on the importance of family medical history and how this affected David, the adoptee who is at the center of the story American Baby follows. Finally, Glaser shares what drew her to cover the topic of adoption history in the United States and her reaction to the reception of American Baby after its publication.  Follow the author on Twitter @GabrielleGlaser or visit her website https://gabrielleglaser.com/about/ and find American Baby in print, Ebook, or audio version. Subscribe to our newsletter and never miss out on new resources, upcoming events, and other updates in the world of DNA testing, family searches, and unexpected discoveries from WatershedDNA.com.

In this episode, Brianne interviews author Diahan Southard, creator of Your DNA Guide, who brings a much-needed dose of enthusiasm to the talk about genealogy, a biological parent search, and DNA testing! Diahan's perspective adds balance to the conversation about the role and value of DNA and how it connects us to relatives living and those already passed.   Listen as Diahan shares how her own DNA story began, starting in the early 2000s when the world of genetic genealogy was just getting started!  Diahan's PLAN for approaching DNA testing has five key steps. Learn what she means by:  - Are you asking a good DNA question?  - Are you testing the right person?  - Are you taking the right kind of DNA test?   - Have you chosen the right testing company?  - Are you performing the appropriate kind of analysis? Diahan's step-wise approach to DNA testing helps people needing an organized approach, whether you're searching for biological relatives or are using it for your family's genealogy research.  Confused by the various types of "cousin"? Diahan gives a clear explanation of the difference between a first, second, and more distant cousin and how the terms "removed" and "half" fit in.  Wondering whether to test yourself or another relative for genealogical purposes? Diahan shares her reasoning for starting with a test on the oldest living relative who is willing to test. Trying to put pieces together to figure out who in a family is someone's biological father? We discuss the need to be slow and methodical as you go through results and so you don't jump to the wrong conclusion, like naming the wrong brother as someone's biological father. Overwhelmed by words you come across in the DNA world like mitochondria, autosomal DNA, centimorgan, or Y chromosome? Diahan takes the mystery out of these and other commonly used terms. If you decide DNA testing might hold the key to answering your questions, know that there are sites like YourDNAGuide that help you get going and unstuck along the way and sites like Watershed DNA when an unexpected finding comes along.   Find a copy of the book Your DNA Guide on Amazon in paperback or e-book  or directly from Diahan's site (use the code "WatershedDNA" for a 20% discount!) and follow Diahan on social media Instagram @diahansouthard  Twitter @DNAdiahan  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/YourDNAGuide/ Find more resources and guidance on WatershedDNA.com. Sign up for the monthly newsletter and never miss a new episode or announcement! 

Did you know that if you test at FamilyTreeDNA, all you have to do is check a box of approval during the DNA kit registration process, and your DNA results and online family tree are automatically opted into a program that helps investigators work to solve cold cases? I invited author J.C. Kenney to talk about the 4th book in his Allie Cobb series of mystery novels. In A Deadly Discovery, a consumer DNA test and genetic genealogy course taught at the local library lead to the solving of a decades-old murder mystery in a small town in Indiana.  You need not be a true crime fan or a DNA expert to learn from today's episode! Our conversation hones in on the highlights of DNA and crime investigation and is a great intro for those unfamiliar with investigative genetic genealogy, often shortened to IGG.  Things we touch on in this discussion:  Resources for learning more about IGG  What is a "cozy mystery"   How the town of Nashville, Indiana plays into it all  Things we don't address in today's discussion? Ethicals gray zones and real-life criminal cases involving consumer DNA tests. We'll have to save that for a future episode of DNA Clarity and Support with a different author! In the meantime, you can read more about this topic (and some of Brianne's thoughts about consumer DNA testing and IGG) in an article by Ariel Ramchandani in Mother Jones magazine. As we near the end of season 2 of DNA Clarity and Support and plan for a sabbatical over the summer months, we are curious to know what you think. Heard an episode this season that had an impact on you, and now you can't stop thinking about something you heard? Tell us about it! Recently finished a book related to a DNA discovery and you want to hear more from the author in a Q&A with Brianne? Send us your feedback and some questions you'd like us to ask of future guests! Season 3 is in its planning stages right now, and we need YOUR help to make it a great one!  Read J.C. Kenney's novel A Deadly Discovery on your e-reader or mobile device. (Make sure to check out the first three books in the series, too.) Go back and catch up on past episodes of DNA Clarity and Support and join the mailing list at WatershedDNA.com to never miss and episode or an announcement of new resources. 

Michael Blair knew from the age of 12 that his dad was not his biological father, but it was something not spoken about in the family. After years spent chasing down every last lead on his biological paternity, Michael's search entered a new phase when a consumer DNA test connected him to paternal DNA relatives. The up-and-down journey, the people he came to know along the way, and the new understanding he has of his parents are all documented in his memoir, I Had My Underwear on the Entire Time. This lovely episode includes a drop-in visit from his wife, Amy, co-author and #1 supporter of Michael in his search for information. Who is this episode for? Anyone nervous to begin a search, anyone who has found their expectations shattered, and anyone who just needs to know they are not alone if their DNA story isn't like a Hallmark movie. Find wisdom and solace from Michael and Amy, no matter your role in a DNA search and discovery.  Some unique parts of Michael's story will resonate with listeners, such as the discovery that the biological family he found had already been through its own ups and downs in the past. There were pre-existing divisions within the family, and complicating factors that led some to embrace Michael while others did not. Step-parents and and parents raising a child who isn't biologically related will also find comfort in Michael's advice to parents that no parent is perfect, you just have to do your best to be honest with your child. Other parts of the discussion cover: The role of a Thanksgiving turkey in Michael's search(!) Michael's current relationships with his mom, dad (the step-father who adopted him as a toddler), and biological father  Michael's participation in advocacy efforts to open access to original birth certificates in the state of Iowa  The vital role of medical history in his story The value of therapy in coping with mental health struggles  Resources Michael found helpful, including MPEcounseling.org and NPE Friends Fellowship Read in paperback Read the E-book  (Note: If you don't own a Kindle, you can download the Kindle app for free on your device and read that way.) Listen to other episodes about misattributed parentage and family secrets on DNA Clarity and Support Follow our newsletter and never miss other updates, resources, and podcast episodes!

In midlife, Peter J. Boni learned the truth of his genetic origins: his parents had used sperm donor assistance to conceive him. The news wasn't revealed by a DNA test or directly from a parent, the way most donor-conceived individuals find out. Instead, the news came from another person who had been with his mother in a rehabilitation center while she recovered from heart surgery and a post-operative stroke; his mother had begun to share the story with others of using a sperm donor to conceive in 1945 but had not shared it with her son yet. "All of the locks that guarded her secrets no longer worked," Boni explained.  This revelation led to a conversation between Boni and his mother during which he shared with her how disruptive it had been to discover he was sperm donor-conceived later in life. In this episode of DNA Clarity and Support, Boni describes not only the personal experience of learning he is 'semi-adopted' but also the outcomes of his extensive research on the sociological, scientific, and legal aspects of assisted reproductive technologies. Boni's book Uprooted published in 2022 is dedicated to sharing the outcomes of his research, much of which is likely unknown even to those who work professionally in ART world. The conversation between host Brianne Kirkpatrick and Boni swings back and forth, exploring the personal impacts on Boni and his awareness of the need for societal change. Boni shares how the new trauma of the NPE ('not parent expected') discovery rekindled some of the old trauma from his past, requiring hard work in the therapist's office to work through. He describes the discovery of a half-sibling and the development of relationships with her and other newly-discovered biological relatives.     An important aspect of Boni's work is his desire to shine a light on the areas of the assisted reproductive industry where change is needed. He speaks of the Bill of Rights of the Donor Conceived that is listed at the conclusion of Uprooted and encourages the discussion and changes needed on a legislative level to start happening. The discussion with Boni hits upon main points that can help others who are not donor-conceived understand what it is like to go through the process of a misattributed parentage experience. It's an important one. Find your copy of Uprooted: Family Trauma, Unknown Origins, and the Secretive History of Artificial Insemination: On Kindle In hardcover print from Amazon or Bookshop.org (bookshop supports independent booksellers) Listen on Audible

Katie Hopkins never guessed that a discovery about her sister's unexpected paternity would be just the start of a number of surprises in the family. What began as crumbs of information left in family documents led to DNA testing which confirmed a hidden family history. In Exposed by DNA, Hopkins shares an account of learning that her biological parentage--as well as that of two of her three siblings--was different than what they all had been raised to believe.   Hopkins has a rare ability to delve into the deeply hurtful topics of betrayal and fractured self-identity while retaining a perspective sprinkled with humor and empathy. She is able to express understanding for her parents and also for others who like herself have traveled the road of a misattributed parentage discovery and all of the disruptions to identity that ensue. This episode of DNA Clarity and Support includes an *update* since Hopkins first published her book. Listen as Hopkins shares things she learned after the first version of her book was completed and published. If you have an earlier version of Exposed by DNA (purchased in the autumn of 2021 or earlier) and the book ends with chapter 32, visit www.watersheddna.com to download the FREE final chapter 33.

In this episode, Laura Kieger talks about her family's experience with the hereditary cancer syndrome, FAP. In Summer's Complaint: My family's courageous, century-long struggle with a rare genetic cancer syndrome Kieger chronicles her family's multigenerational struggle with familial adenomatous polyposis. Summer's Complaint highlights the health aspects of DNA, the importance of knowing a genetic diagnosis and connecting with knowledgeable specialists, and sharing medical details with family. Kieger relates how in just a few short decades, the progress of medical genetics and cancer diagnosis has had a profound impact on her own life and others in her family. If anyone needs an example to point to as support for the importance of sharing DNA medical surprises with family, this episode of DNA Clarity and Support offers it! Although considered a rare disease, FAP affects many families around the world. Kieger gives listeners a short summary of what everyone should know about the condition and describes how the condition has had variable effects on different relatives in the family. Life with FAP is different for the younger people in her family compared to the past generations, with genetic testing now making it possible for younger family members to avoid the intense and often invasive medical surveillance that she and her siblings endured. Also learn how assisted reproductive technologies like IVF have altered the transmission of FAP in her and other families. From a story of learning about dominant hereditary conditions in a college lecture to the experience of losing multiple family members at too-young an age, Kieger's experience is relatable even for those who do not have a family history of hereditary cancer. The episode ends with a discussion about: Kieger's personal experience working with an insightful genetic counselor named Mary The life-changing impact of DNA test results  The origins of the name of Watershed DNA The value of genetic counseling for FAP families no matter the outcome of genetic test results  Online resources like NORD that allow anyone to find reliable information on rare diseases and genetic conditions  Follow @LKiegerAuthor on Twitter or visit the author's site at laurakieger.com Find your copy of Summer's Complaint at these and other online retailers: On Amazon (print)  On Kindle  On Bookshop.com (support independent booksellers)

Season 2 of DNA Clarity and Support kicks off with an interview of Melissa Guida-Richards! Guida-Richards is a late-discovery transracial adoptee and the author of What White Parents Should Know About Transracial Adoption. Inspired by the discovery at age 19 of her adoption from Columbia into an Italian and Portuguese American family, Melissa has authored articles to help others understand her experience. Her latest book aims to educate and guide White parents who are raising an adopted child with a differing genetic ethnicity. Among the topics host Brianne and the guest discuss is how Melissa developed a sense of being LatinX through food, music, and language; her identification of biological relatives via DNA testing; and the growth and changes that took place in the relationship with each of her parents. Here's what the author describes you can expect to learn from her book: What parents wish they'd known before they adopted - and what kids wish their adoptive parents had done differently What White privilege, White saviorism, and toxic positivity are...and how they show up, even when you don't mean it How your child might feel and experience the world differently than you All about microaggressions, labeling, and implicit bias How to help your child connect with their cultural heritage through language, food, music, and clothing The five stages of grief for adoptive parents How to start tough conversations, work with defensiveness, and process guilt LISTEN NOW then search for your copy of What White Parents Should Know about Transracial Adoption at one of the following sites! https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/675697/what-white-parents-should-know-about-transracial-adoption-by-melissa-guida-richards/ Find on Amazon Find on bookshop.com Listen on Audible

In today's episode, we'll meet Richard Hill, the adoptee who was the first to use DNA testing to search for and discover the identity of his birth parents. This pioneer took his decades of searching and turned his story into an opportunity to teach and help others along their own paths.   Host Brianne interviews Richard about the highlights of his search which are detailed in Finding Family: My Search for Roots and the Secrets in My DNA. An experienced speaker, Richard continues to educate others around the world, often via webinars. This episode contains details of Richard's story as well as descriptions of Y chromosome testing and autosomal DNA testing and how these two types of DNA are tools that help in different ways for someone on a search for biological family. It's great listening for the beginner just starting to learn about DNA and its connection to genealogy and biological family as well as the experienced searcher who might be wondering about how to guide others in the "what now" phase after family members are identified. Richard speaks about the impact the late discovery of his adoption had on him as a young adult and how learning he had a biological brother he learned about was the trigger to start his search in earnest. The conversation wraps up with Richard sharing his insights into the best outcomes from advances in DNA testing and his forecast for the future. Learn more about Richard Hill: https://www.DNA-Testing-Adviser.com  https://www.facebook.com/DNATestingAdviser/ Finding Family: My Search for Roots and the Secrets in My DNA -- available in print, eBook, and audiobook formats Guide to DNA Testing - Kindle book available on Amazon.com (non-Kindle owners can read through the Kindle app for mobile) Richard's collection of sites and resources for genetic genealogy - https://www.dna-testing-adviser.com/support-files/genetic-genealogy-links.pdf  Interested in learning more about unknown parentage searches and DNA testing? Check out: Could the DNA Test Be Wrong? DNA Guide for Adoptees

In the first 4 minutes of today's podcast, you'll hear a ballad sung by today's guest, Cory Goodrich, inspired by her NPE discovery. Then we'll get started with the conversation! What happens when a brilliantly creative person finds time on their hands during a worldwide pandemic? If you're Cory Goodrich, the stars align in a way that opens doors, and you churn out a hopeful and poignant memoir called Folksong. Cory's memoir touches on the pain & hope she felt through her journey at the end of her mother's life and through the discovery soon after that her mother had been keeping a secret about Cory's paternity for decades. If you are a mother or parent keeping a DNA secret... If you are a family member who wants a family secret to stay under wraps... If you are a sibling who finds out your brother or sister is a half sibling, or that you have a new sibling you didn't know about... And especially if you're an NPE struggling...stop & listen to Cory's experience today. We kick off the conversation with Cory's editor Elizabeth Lyons involved in the discussion. The funny Cory/Elizabeth duo documents the twists involved in crossing paths and bringing Folksong to life. Cory then explores the ways creative expression has been life-saving to her. Her art has taken on new life and new meaning since she discovered that music and acting (and even painting!) are in her DNA. We learn about Cory's journey of loss and how she was able to work her way through it. Cory aims to de-stigmatize mental health issues for those with an NPE discovery. If in the aftermath of a DNA discovery, you have the thought "I am going crazy," Cory wants you to know she's been there, too. If you've struggled with your sanity, if you've had suicidal ideation, considered or tried therapy and medication to get you through it, Cory wants you to understand you are not alone. Cory also addresses the mothers out there who--like hers--hold a secret about their child's genetic origins. She speaks to these mothers with honesty and compassion. Your child might be angry, she says, but if they are like Cory, once the anger resides the empathy moves in. A most powerful comment Cory makes about her mother was this: "I never would have stopped loving her." "I am so grateful for who I am today because of this," says Cory near the end of the episode.  A not-to-miss episode of DNA Clarity and Support! Resources: Cory's website The Folksong website Directory of specialized counselors at MPEcounseling.org (formerly NPEcounseling.org) Mental health professional training for NPE support: - Parental Identity Discovery by Jodi Klugman-Rabb - NPE Trauma-Informed Coaching sponsored by NPE Friends Fellowship If you're experiencing a mental health crisis, please reach out to the Crisis Text Line by texting HOME to 741741.

"I was no stranger to shock and grief...[but] this was something altogether different. The quality of it was different...It was trauma at the level of identity." A watershed moment in the life of Dani Shapiro--the discovery that she was donor-conceived--was triggered by an innocent adventure into consumer DNA testing. As a memoirist and novelist, Dani had spent her career putting her life experiences into words to guide the way for others. Her NPE ('not parent expected') discovery was no exception. Dani published her NPE memoir "Inheritance" in 2019, and it's the book she says she was born to write. Different types of NPE experiences include late-discovery adoptions, the revelation of an extra-marital affair, and more. When the discovery is made during life, and how it is made, can have long-term impacts on feelings around self-identity. In this episode of DNA Clarity and Support, Dani answers questions like, "How much of your experience was in your head? How much was a physiological or physical reaction?" Her husband Michael Maren joins in the conversation with host Brianne for a little while to tell about Dani's NPE discovery from the perspective of spouse, search assistant, and main support person.  Dani talks about the therapy she sought out. Talk therapy (not so helpful) Writing and journaling (therapeutic) Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing therapy, EMDR (helpful to her) Even if you've already read Inheritance and listened to Dani on other podcasts, you will learn something new and take away a deeper understanding of the impact of DNA testing on lives. Genetic counselors, IVF counselors, and others who work in the world of infertility and assisted reproductive technology--make sure to stick around and listen through to the end. You are the professionals involved when families are making decisions today that will result in NPE discoveries like Dani's in the future. Brianne has some thoughts for you and encourages you to be at the forefront of changes in the world of donor conception.  The era of family secrets has come to an end, and it's time to stop and listen and learn and discuss how we as a society move into the next era with compassion and understanding and a unified goal of healing and support. Thanks to Dani for shining a light and leading the way for many who follow in her footsteps. Resources mentioned in this episode: Right to Know DNA Detectives watersheddna.com/resources - lists the collective of Genetic Identity Rights supporters Brianne's "Prepare to Share" coaching services for parents who need to share a DNA secret with their child MPEcounseling.org  The Body Keeps Score Family Secrets podcast Follow Dani Shapiro: website: www.danishapiro.com Instagram: @daniwriter Twitter: @danijshapiro Facebook: Dani Shapiro  Find your copy of Inheritance: eBook Audiobook Paperback book