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The Data Malarkey podcast – and it's audio-visual twin, the Data Malarkey Show on YouTube – a must-listen, must-watch resource of brilliant data storytelling. If only there were more people in the world with the pragmatic approach taken by my guests, well, there'd be rather less data malarkey about.
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Data Malarkey Season 11 Best Bits: AI, insight, online safety, and the afterlife of data
2026/10/20
What were the biggest ideas, sharpest arguments and most memorable moments from Season 11 of Data Malarkey?
In this end-of-season special, Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles revisits standout conversations from six brilliant guests, whose work spans political science, online safety, advertising, design, media insight, and marketing leadership.
Carl Öhman explores what happens to our data after we die and why our everyday digital traces could become the most representative archive of human life ever created.
Molly Rose Foundation CEO, Andy Burrows, challenges the idea that banning social media for under-16s is a simple solution, and explains why tech platforms, regulators and advertisers must do more to make products safe by design.
Zehra Chatoo discusses AI bias, representation and why large language models cannot replace the discomfort, questioning, and human judgement required for real insight.
Judah Armani shares how design can be used to rebalance power and create meaningful social change, including through the prison-based InHouse Records programme.
Louise Twycross-Lewis explains what PhD's Culture Currents research reveals about optimism, anticipation, and the value of human insight alongside AI.
And finally, the University of Nottingham's Pete Markey shares a practical CMO's perspective on where AI can transform marketing and where clear guardrails are still essential.
In this episode, you'll hear:
Why our digital "trash" could become historically priceless
Why the dead need dignity, but not necessarily full data privacy rights
Why a social media ban could give parents of tweens and teens a false sense of security
How advertisers can use their spending power to demand better from tech platforms
Why real insight requires discomfort, judgement and critical thinking
How design can create change in places where traditional systems have failed
Why anticipation matters more now than it did five years ago
How AI can support human research without replacing it
Why marketers must protect strategy, creativity and authenticity
Featured guests:
Carl Öhman, Uppsala University
Andy Burrows, Molly Rose Foundation
Zehra Chatoo, Code For Good Now
Judah Armani, Social Impact Studio
Louise Twycross-Lewis, PhD UK
Pete Markey, University of Nottingham
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard:
https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
What great insight looks like in the age of AI - Data Malarkey
2026/10/06
What is insight, really, and what happens when we confuse prediction with understanding?
In this episode of the Data Malarkey Podcast, Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, speaks with Zehra Chatoo, founder of Code For Good Now. They discuss insight, AI, bias, representation, and the human insight skills becoming more valuable, not less, in the age of large language models.
Zehra argues that while AI is incredibly powerful at spotting patterns and making predictions, but that is only one part of insight. Genuine insight still requires human judgement, disciplined curiosity, critical thinking, and the courage to sit with discomfort rather than rush to certainty. She also explores how bias enters AI through both training data and patterns of usage, why women are still adopting AI slower than men, and why this matters for the output that the technology produces.
The conversation also dives into Zehra's work with Code For Good Now, including AI adoption training, representation tools for advertising, and consultancy helping brands and agencies build more responsible, inclusive approaches to AI.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Zehra's definition of insight using the FREA framework
Why the "Five 'Why?'s" remains such a powerful route from data to insight
Why prediction alone is not insight
Why LLMs optimise for certainty and speed, while insight often requires discomfort
How AI adoption gaps can create biased outputs
What sits behind the gender gap in AI adoption
Why representation in advertising matters more in the age of AI
What skills will become more valuable as AI spreads through the advertising industry
Why overuse of data is one of its biggest misuses
Topics we cover:
What insight is and what it is not
Data versus insight
AI, prediction, and human judgement
Bias in training data and bias in usage
Fear of judgement, trust, and ethics in AI adoption
"Permission to Prompt" and responsible AI usage training
Representation, advertising, and the Unstereotype Alliance
Working inside Meta during a period of rapid change
What future skills in insight and media may look like
About our guest:
Zehra Chatoo is the founder of Code For Good Now, a business focused on minimising bias, amplifying culture, and unlocking human creativity in a world increasingly shaped by AI. She previously held senior strategy roles at Manning Gottlieb OMD and Meta, and also serves as a board director and trustee of UN Women UK.
Links and resources mentioned:
Zehra's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zehrachatoo/
Code for Good Now – Zehra's AI training start-up, on a mission to close the gender gap in AI: https://codeforgoodnow.com
Zehra's keynote at the March 2026 Institute for Practitioners in Advertising (IPA) annual Insight Summit "Beyond the Prompt – video 2 at https://ipa.co.uk/knowledge/videos-podcasts/ipa-insight-summit-2026/
UN Women UK, of which Zehra is a Board Trustee: https://www.unwomenuk.org
Research by Code for Good Now on gender bias in AI use in building a curriculum vitae (aka resumé) for "Emily Clarke" vs "James Clarke", reported in Fortune magazine: https://bit.ly/4tRkHiH
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
Why Efficiency Is Making Us Care Less │Data Malarkey with Judah Armani
2026/09/22
What if design is not really about products at all, but about bridging the gap between the world as it is and the world we hope for?
In this episode of Data Malarkey, Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, speaks with Judah Armani, Head of the Public Service Design Practice CIC. Judah is a collaborative designer, educator, and social entrepreneur. The two discuss design as problem solving, insight as a "liquid understanding", and the role of care, curiosity, and creativity in tackling some of society's toughest challenges.
Judah's work spans public service design, education, prison reform, and systems change. From founding the world's first record label launched in prison and run by prisoners, to creating football-based learning programmes and teaching around the world, he offers a completely different lens on how data, information, and human understanding can lead to action.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why Judah sees design as the connective tissue between reality and aspiration
Why solving problems is something everyone does, not just trained designers
How gathering information, specifying intent, and taking action underpin most problem solving
Why taxonomy shapes what we can see and what we miss
Why efficiency can quietly erode care if we are not careful
How Judah defines insight as a "liquid understanding"
Why outliers, clues, and hints often matter more than neat summaries
How InHouse Records was created inside prison to reduce reoffending
Why Judah sees AI as useful for summarising, but not yet for true creativity
Topics we cover:
Design as problem solving
Retirement, mission, and a life spent solving problems
Taxonomy, categorisation, and reordering information
von Humboldt, Ruskin, and different ways of seeing the same world
Care, efficiency, and what modern systems make us lose
Socratic inquiry and the different states of knowledge
Outliers, patterns, and the power of different vantage points
InHouse Records and designing for social impact
AI, creativity, and the limits of large language models
About the guest:
Judah Armani is a collaborative designer, educator, and social entrepreneur whose work focuses on social change, public service design, and reimagining systems for those most often left out. He has worked across product design, charities, education, and justice, and is the founder of projects including InHouse Records and Crossbar.
Links and resources mentioned:
Judah's LinkedIn profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/hodajudaharmani/
His CIC's home page - https://www.hodajudaharmani.design/
InHouse Records - https://www.inhouserecords.org/
Crossbar Education Innovation Programme - https://ifdesign.com/en/winner-ranking/project/crossbar/744665
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
How to Turn Data Into Real Insight │Data Malarkey with Louise Twycross-Lewis
2026/09/08
What turns data into insight, and why does that distinction matter so much in media, research, and strategy?
In this episode of Data Malarkey, Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, speaks with Louise Twycross-Lewis, Managing Partner and Head of Insight at media agency PHD. They address how insight teams move beyond "what is happening" to uncover "what it means" and "what should happen next".
Louise shares her definition of insight, the practical tools and techniques she and her teams use to get there, and how AI is changing the way research teams work - from open-text analysis to identifying themes at scale. They also explore the promise and risks of synthetic data, the danger of bias in AI-trained systems, the challenge of training junior talent in an AI-assisted world, and the findings from PHD's Culture Currents research into optimism and anticipation.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why insight is so much more than a hypothesis or a chart
Why clear objectives and hypotheses matter before research even begins
How Louise uses AI to speed up analysis while keeping humans in the lead (not just in the loop)
Why human truth still matters more than efficiency alone
How bias in AI systems can distort decision-making
Why the industry needs to think hard about how it trains junior talent
What PHD's Culture Currents research says about optimism in a difficult world
Why anticipation has become more valuable, not less
How brands and media can play a role across the full anticipation journey
Topics we cover:
Defining insight in media and communications
Moving from data to story
AI-assisted analysis and human oversight
Synthetic data and the limits of generated research
Bias, representation, and "ultra-processed" data
Entry-level roles, compression culture, and learning by doing
Culture Currents research and optimism
Culture Current research and anticipation, eventification, and dopamine
Why brands should think beyond the moment of reward
About the guest:
Louise Twycross-Lewis is Managing Partner and Head of Insight at PHD. She has spent her career in media research and insight, working across media owners and major agencies, and is a recognised leader in the industry as well as a champion of cultural and ethnic diversity.
Links and resources mentioned:
Louise's profile on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/louise-twycross-lewis-1b655b2/
PHD's Culture Currents research and publications - https://www.phdmedia.com/our-publications/
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
How Algorithms Are Putting Children at Risk │Data Malarkey with Andy Burrows
2026/07/28
What happens when platform design, recommendation algorithms, and commercial incentives collide with teenage vulnerability?
In this episode of Data Malarkey, Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, speaks to Andy Burrows, Chief Executive of the Molly Rose Foundation, about online safety, suicide prevention, tech accountability, and the systemic failures that continue to expose children to harmful content online.
Andy explains how the Foundation's research tested Instagram and TikTok through the eyes of a 15-year-old girl, why the findings were so disturbing, and how advertising, platform incentives, legal action, and regulation all fit into a bigger picture. He also reflects on Molly's story, the role of whistleblowers, the limits of self-regulation, and why the current approach to online safety remains nowhere near strong enough.
In this episode, you'll learn:
How recommendation algorithms can intensify harm at scale
What the Molly Rose Foundation's research found on Instagram and TikTok
Why harmful content and advertising adjacency is such a serious issue
How whistleblowers and legal disclosures have been so important
Why advertisers may be part of the problem, but also part of the solution
Why Andy sees recent US court rulings as a "big tobacco" moment for tech
Why self-regulation has failed and stronger, safety-by-design rules are needed
Why a social media ban is not the magic bullet many think it could be
How AI risks are making the online safety challenge even worse
Topics we cover:
Molly Russell's story and the mission of the Foundation in her name
Testing harmful algorithmic recommendations
Platform incentives and the economics of attention
Brand safety and ad placement near harmful content
Whistleblowers, disclosures, and Meta's conduct
US litigation and the erosion of tech immunity arguments
The Online Safety Act and Ofcom's limitations
The Australia-style social media ban under the spotlight
AI companions, AI slop, and history repeating itself
About the guest:
Andy Burrows is Chief Executive of the Molly Rose Foundation, which works at the intersection of suicide prevention, online safety, and tech accountability. He has spent much of his career representing vulnerable groups, previously working in regulation, consumer policy, and online safety, including on the Online Safety Act.
Links and resources mentioned:
The Molly Rose Foundation: https://mollyrosefoundation.org/
Molly vs the Machines on Channel 4 - https://www.channel4.com/programmes/molly-vs-the-machines
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
What Happens to Your Data When You Die? │ Data Malarkey with Carl Öhman
2026/07/14
What happens to your data when you die?
In this episode of Data Malarkey, Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, welcomes Carl Öhman, Assistant Professor in Political Science at Uppsala University and author of The Afterlife of Data: What Happens to Your Information When You Die and Why You Should Care.
Carl explores one of the most overlooked questions in the digital age: what becomes of the vast trail of data we all leave behind, and who gets to control it once we are gone. From history, archives, and memory to big tech business models, digital afterlife products, environmental costs, and the politics of forgetting, this is a rich and thought-provoking conversation about the future of our digital remains.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why the data we leave behind after death is a major political and ethical issue
Why our so-called digital "trash" may become one of the richest archives in human history
How social and digital media platforms are building unprecedented records of human behaviour
Why digital afterlife products raise unsettling questions about grief, memory, and authenticity
What happens when dead users start to outnumber living users on platforms like Facebook
Why big tech has powerful incentives to keep hold of the data of the dead
Whether regulation should include a kind of "right to be forgotten" after death - a "posthumous GDPR"
Why data storage and environmental cost matter in debates about digital remains
How AI and data may be creating something like a new digital theology
Topics we cover:
Carl's route into studying death and digital traces
Digital dandruff, archives, and the value of informational leftovers
Ownership, memory, and the politics of historical record
The future of historical research in a world of platform-controlled archives
Black Mirror, digital resurrection, and the digital afterlife industry
Big tech incentives and "holding our loved ones hostage"
Regulation, GDPR, and who should guard the guards
The carbon footprint of storing dead people's data
Carl's next book, on AI: The Gods of Data
About our guest:
Carl Öhman is Assistant Professor in Political Science at Uppsala University. His research focuses on the politics and ethics of AI, digital memory, and the governance of information. He is the author of The Afterlife of Data and works at the intersection of technology, politics, and culture.
Links and resources mentioned:
The Afterlife of Data by Carl Öhman - https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/A/bo209942751.html
Carl's page at Uppsala University - https://bit.ly/4tIeXHX
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
What should marketing and communications leaders actually do with AI right now?
2026/06/30
In this live episode of Data Malarkey - recorded live on stage at the 'AI for PR' conference in June 2026 - Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, speaks with Pete Markey, Chief Communications & Marketing Officer at the University of Nottingham. Their wide-ranging discussion covered, AI, brand relevance, trust, creative judgement, and the future of marketing.
Pete has led marketing and communications across some of the UK's best-known brands, from More Th>n, RSA, and the Post Office to Aviva, TSB and Boots. Drawing on decades of experience with some of the UK's best-known and most progressive brands, he shares a highly practical view of what AI is useful for, where it creates real value, and where brands still need strong human oversight.
From customer experience, creative versioning, and strategic thinking, to measurement, reputation, and the future world of work, this is a thoughtful conversation about how to embrace AI without losing what the humanity that can make brands truly distinctive.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why brand relevance is still one of the most important North Stars in marketing
Why authenticity matters even more in an AI-mediated world
Why AI can be brilliant for speed, efficiency, and creative adaptation
Why Pete draws firm guardrails around AI-generated people and brand authenticity
How data and testing are reshaping the role of the CMO
Why marketing leaders need to educate their boards and exec teams on AI
What skills younger and older comms professionals should be building now
Why AI and human craft must coexist
Topics we cover:
Staying relevant as a brand
Trust, authenticity, and fragile public brands
AI adoption at Boots and beyond
Creative development, speed, and retail responsiveness
The scientist, artist, and politician balance in the CMO role
Measurement, eye tracking, and data-led campaign decisions
AI in marketing operations and digital journeys
The changing relationship between brands and agencies
Entry-level jobs, future skills, and marketing careers in the AI era
About the guest:
Pete Markey is Chief Communications & Marketing Officer at the University of Nottingham. Across his career he has led marketing and communications for a range of major UK brands including More Th>n, RSA, the Post Office, Aviva, TSB, and Boots. Pete is known for combining strong brand thinking with a deep focus on data, effectiveness, and practical innovation.
Links and resources mentioned:
Pete's LinkedIn profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/petermarkey/
University of Nottingham website https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
"Real to Reel - Using Data Smarter" Data Malarkey Season 10 highlights: equality, AI, and the Four-Day Week
2026/05/26
What were the standout moments from Season 10 of Data Malarkey?
In this end-of-season special, host and Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, looks back at some of the best bits, biggest ideas, and sharpest soundbites from across Season 10. This "greatest hits" episode brings together a brilliant and eclectic mix of guests and topics, from gender equality in football and inclusion in advertising, to online safety, AI, insight, the four-day week, startup success, and making sense of data in organisations.
Featuring clips from Karen and Charlie Dobres, former Directors of Lewes FC, Ali Hanan, Harriet Kingaby, Ahti Heinla, Dino Delić, and Charlotte Rae, this episode is both a recap for existing listeners and a perfect jumping-in point for anyone new to Data Malarkey.
In this episode, you'll hear:
How Lewes FC used attention, sponsorship, and crowd-building to drive gender equality in football
Why equal FA Cup prize money remains a live issue
What the new ROI - "return on inclusion" - means and how it drives advertising effectiveness
Why the collapse of truth online should worry all of us
How Skype and Starship Technologies were built from early-stage uncertainty into category-changing, global scaling businesses
What the four-day week really means, and why it can improve both wellbeing and productivity
Why many organisations still struggle to communications turn data into useful action
How better questions, better framing, and better internal alignment lead to better decisions
Featured guests and themes:
Karen and Charlie Dobres on Lewes FC and Equality FC
Ali Hanan on return on inclusion
Harriet Kingaby on truth, trust, and AI
Ahti Heinla on Skype, Starship Technologies, and building world-changing tech
Dino Delić on data, action, and why tools are not the problem
Charlotte Rae on the four-day week
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
How the four-day week boosts sleep, wellbeing, and output with Charlotte Rae
2026/05/12
The four-day week gets talked about a lot, but what happens when you stop talking about the theory and start measuring impact properly?
In this episode of Data Malarkey - the podcast about using data, smarter - Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, speaks to Charlotte Rae, Associate Professor in Psychology at the University of Sussex. Charlotte is one of the UK's leading quantitative researchers on the impact of the four-day working week. She explains how the Sussex 4 Day Week research project studies real employers, real staff, and real outcomes to understand what changes when businesses move to working time reduction.
From productivity and sleep to motivation, meetings, AI, and whether the "honeymoon effect" wears off, this is a brilliant conversation about what the evidence says and where the practical challenges still sit.
In this episode, you'll learn:
The difference between working time reduction, compressed hours, and part-time working
How the Sussex 4 Day Week programme helps businesses prepare, trial, and measure results
Why productivity rose by around 8% on average in the trial period
Why improved sleep appears to be linked to improved productivity
How motivation and behaviour change drive better output in less time
Which sectors and business sizes are best suited to shorter working weeks
Why most four-day week businesses do not simply shut on Fridays
How AI may help enable shorter working weeks, but only if used in a structured way
Topics we cover:
Four-day week models explained
Measuring productivity, wellbeing, burnout, sleep, and motivation
Why little tweaks often beat big grand changes
The role of rest, recovery, and hobbies
Sector differences: knowledge work, manufacturing, care, rota-based businesses
Which non-working day businesses choose most often
Long-term stickability of the four-day week
Whether AI could accelerate working time reduction
About the guest:
Charlotte Rae is an Associate Professor in Psychology at the University of Sussex and leads the Sussex 4 Day Week research project. With a background in psychology and neuroscience, she applies a rigorous, data-driven approach to studying how shorter working weeks affect productivity, wellbeing, and workplace performance.
Links and resources mentioned:
Sussex Four Day Week: https://sussex4dayweek.co.uk
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
Why comms teams fail, even with great tools | Dino Delić
2026/04/28
What if the problem is not your tool?
In this episode of the Data Malarkey podcast, Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, speaks with Dino Delić of Meltwater, the global leader in media intelligence. Sam and Dino cover data, comms, capability-building, AI, and why too many teams are still using powerful tools to produce underwhelming outcomes. Dino is sharp, direct, gloriously opinionated, and obsessed with helping people stop hiding behind "best practices" and start solving the right problem.
They explore why data often fails to drive action inside organisations, how comms teams can become more strategically useful, why AI is creating both huge opportunity and total chaos, and why capability matters far more than buying the latest shiny thing.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why Dino hates the phrase "best practices"
Why most teams are not held back by their tools
How to start with the real moment of frustration, not generic advice
Why the CEO's priorities should shape your data communications strategy
How to turn reporting into decision-making
Why AI can massively help, but only if you know what good looks like already
Why most people are still "the cat chasing the laser pointer"
How Dino thinks about capability, experimentation, and constant improvement
Topics we cover:
Dino's background from Bosnia to Australia to the US
Sales, persuasion, and making ideas land
Why "tool + skills + resources" matters
The difference between collecting data and using data
Why AVEs and lazy measurement still hang around
AI hype, maturity, and common mistakes
Meltwater's Run Club, newsletter, and open learning approach
Why communicators need debate, not just agreement
About the guest:
Dino Delić is Strategic Customer Advisor at Meltwater. He works at the intersection of communications, data, measurement, enablement, and customer success, helping teams turn information into action and become more effective, persuasive, and data-driven in the work they do.
Links and resources mentioned:
Meltwater's Data Driven Communications Run Club and newsletter - https://community.meltwater.com/p/ddc
Follow Dino Delić on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dinodelic/
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
From Skype to delivery robots: Ahti Heinla on data, deep tech and solving the last mile problem
2026/04/15
Ahti Heinla has built category-defining tech in two completely different worlds. First, he helped architect Skype, making internet communication simple enough to spread like wildfire. Then he co-founded Starship Technologies, tackling the "last mile problem" with autonomous delivery robots that work in real streets, real weather, and with real world chaos.
Along the way, Ahti shares what Estonia got right with digital infrastructure, why "small beats slow", and why he's worried the world is drifting away from facts.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why Estonia became a tech flywheel, and what secure digital infrastructure unlocks
The early objections to Skype and why they were reasonable at the time
How network effects helped Skype spread, fast
What "last mile delivery" really is, and why it's the inefficient bit
What makes autonomous delivery deep tech, not "just another app"
Why Starship Technologies' robots are designed to be friendly but not human
The biggest data challenge Ahti sees today: people ignoring data
Why post-truth worries him, even with better tools than ever
Topics we cover:
Estonia's digital ID, online voting, and startup culture
Skype's origin story and early market timing
Speed vs the establishment, network effects, culture challenges at scale
Starship's view of logistics and automating the last mile
Real world robotics constraints: weather, regulation, competition
Data culture, machine learning, and decision-making
Civic tech and environmental initiatives
Post-truth, misinformation, and fact-based leadership
About the guest:
Ahti Heinla is the CEO and co-founder of Starship Technologies, the global leader in autonomous last mile delivery. He was also a founding engineer and Chief Technical Architect at Skype, having spent decades building software and systems that scale.
Links and resources mentioned:
Starship Technologies website – https://www.starship.xyz
The Let's Do It World! campaign – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_Do_It!_World
Citizen OS – https://citizenos.com
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
"Equality FC": Karen and Charlie Dobres on Lewes FC, equity, attention, and the imbalance in FA Cup prize money between the men's and women's competitions
2026/04/01
"Now, today is a first for data malarkey… This is the very first time that we've had two guests on the same episode. Not only two guests, but also a dynamic feminist wife and husband duo…"
In this episode of the Data Malarkey podcast, host and Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, speaks with Karen and Charlie Dobres from Lewes Community Football Club about how Lewes became "the first and still the only club in the world" to equalise men's and women's playing budgets, and what it takes to shift culture, attention, sponsorship and long-term equity in football.
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
External resources
Karen's LinkedIn profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/karen-dobres-07a54b176/ and on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/karendobres/?hl=en: "I'm best found on Instagram or LinkedIn."
Charlie's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliedobres/
Karen's book - B/Pitch Invasion - https://www.hachette.co.uk/titles/karen-dobres/pitch-invasion/9781788405881/
: "I'm definitely best found on LinkedIn."
Charlie's "If you look on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, look up "Not Small Mean."podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/4UsJkXfQQz2Og0IXBQAgYn?si=da6dd926f74e48c9
Own a share in Lewes FC - https://lewesfc.com/become-an-owner/
Equality FC in practice - https://lewesfc.com/football-for-good/equality-fc/
Return On Inclusion: Why inclusive marketing drives growth (Ali Hanan, Creative Equals)
2026/03/18
What if the biggest growth lever for brands in 2026 isn't media spend, targeting tweaks, or yet another funnel experiment … but inclusive marketing?
In this episode of the Data Malarkey Podcast, Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, is joined by Ali Hanan, Founder & CEO of Creative Equals, to unpack the data-driven business case for meaningful representation in advertising — what Ali calls the "Return on Inclusion."
This is a conversation about marketing effectiveness, advertising effectiveness, brand growth strategy, representation vs positive portrayal, and how brands can do marketing for good and for growth without falling into performative box-ticking.
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
What you'll learn What "Return On Inclusion" means, and how to think about it as a measurable commercial strategy
Why representation alone isn't enough — and how positive portrayal changes outcomes
How underrepresented audiences translate into real market opportunity (and why brands miss it)
How to handle the "woke" backlash by reframing inclusion through human rights and equal treatment
What AI changes in creative development — and how to avoid a "sea of sameness"
Why marketing effectiveness awards and case studies increasingly link inclusion to profit and growth
Key moments 00:00 Cold open + the growth provocation
00:39 Intro + Ali Hannon / Creative Equals
05:41 The core data case for inclusion
10:15 "the UK ad sector… holding the growth… back"
14:40 Positive portrayal explained
20:04 The "£800 billion" underrepresented communities point
21:13 Scorecard CTA
29:02 Human rights framing
33:06 AI, bias, and inclusive prompting
41:47 "saving 312 lives" (community impact example)
48:09 Where to find Ali / Creative Equals
Follow Ali / Creative Equals Website — https://creativeequals.org
Ali's LinkedIn profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/ali-hanan-19b3a2
Resources mentioned UN Stereotype Alliance
Effie Awards + Cannes Lions (effectiveness / inclusion lens)
PepsiCo / Walkers case study
Nurofen "gender pain gap" case study
Book: Sex Matters
Harriet Kingaby on AI, Advertising, and the "No-Click Internet"
2026/03/04
What happens when the business model of the internet rewards attention at any cost - and AI makes it even easier to centralise power, traffic, and revenue?
In this episode of the Data Malarkey Podcast, host and Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles, is joined by Harriet Kingaby, Co-Chair of the Conscious Advertising Network (CAN). Harriet explores how advertising incentives shape the information ecosystem, why "information integrity" matters for democracy and business, and what conscious advertisers should be asking before they partner with platforms.
This is a conversation about digital trust, algorithmic discrimination, recommendation algorithms, AI search summaries, the "no-click internet", data privacy, and why transparency in advertising is foundational if we want healthier online systems.
Key topics
Conscious advertising and advertising ethics
Information integrity and transparent advertising
AI in advertising and AI-driven search summaries
Recommendation algorithms and algorithmic discrimination
Online harms, self-harm content, and monetisation incentives
The "no-click internet" and the death of the open web
UN Global Principles on Information Integrity
Facial recognition and surveillance risks in advertising and the home
Take the Data Storytelling Scorecard: https://data-storytelling.scoreapp.com
What you'll learn
Why Harriet thinks the incentives behind online platforms can produce unhealthy outcomes
How CAN works as a "broad church" bringing together industry and civil society
What "information integrity" means in practice - and why advertising transparency is central
How discrimination can show up through recommendation systems and reach
Why the "no-click internet" could reshape publishing, revenue, and independent content
The kinds of questions advertisers should ask when partnering with platforms and AI tools
A striking example of data misuse: facial recognition embedded in TV sets for ad targeting
External resources
LinkedIn: Harriet Kingaby - https://www.linkedin.com/in/hkingaby/
Conscious Advertising Network - https://www.consciousadnetwork.com
CAN's Guiding Principles - https://www.consciousadnetwork.com/the-guidingprincipleslandingpage/
UN Global Principles on Information Integrity https://www.un.org/en/information-integrity/global-principles
The EU Digital Services Act - https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/digital-services-act
The Molly Rose Foundation report - https://mollyrosefoundation.org/
Cambridge Analytica scandal - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c81zyn0888lt
"Start Making Sense": Data Malarkey Season Nine greatest hits
2026/01/21
Master Data Storyteller, Sam Knowles hosts a best-of-Season-Nine greatest hits episode, featuring: Kelly Beaver, Ipsos UK & Ireland; Angela Balakrishnan, the UK Information Commissioner's Office (ICO); AI pathfinder and TED Talker, Susan Etlinger; senior comms advisor at Wadds Inc., Stephen Waddington; founder of Social for Good, Kerry Watkins; and, the Ohio State University's Professor of Story Science, Angus Fletcher.
Themes include the Market Research Society's "Campaign for Better Data", ultra-processed data in the age of AI, information rights and public trust, engineering-level rigour in PR and evidence-based measurement, authentic LinkedIn strategy for nonprofits and digital wellbeing (living life 24/six), and narrative cognition with anomalies, intuition, creativity, and leadership.
Chapters (mm:ss)
00:00 Intro and wrap-up setup
00:22 Kelly Beaver, Ipsos, on the Campaign for Better Data
01:08 Ultra-processed data
42:41 Tool and weapon framing
44:26 Data Commerce Conference guests
45:07 Shedding a trail of data
54:48 Thanks to guests
56:06 See you again soon
Data Malarkey
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Contact: [email protected]
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