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What if God wants to take you to the nations—but through business rather than traditional ministry? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job talk with Monica Ahn, a Korean-Brazilian ordained pastor and entrepreneur living in California. After years of church leadership, Monica and her husband began asking a new question: Could there be another way to do church—and even fund mission through business? That journey unexpectedly led Monica into Korean skincare and network marketing. What initially seemed unlikely became a growing international business and, for Monica, a new expression of her calling. Then God spoke words that reframed her journey: “You’re going to go to the nations, but not the way you thought.” Monica came to believe that business would open doors to relationships, discipleship, and ministry across nations. She also shares what happened when she sensed spiritual opposition within her growing international team and invited people into 40 days of prayer and fasting. Thirty to forty people from different countries joined daily—including some who were not Christians. Monica describes reconciliation, renewed strength, answered prayer, and a remarkable custody breakthrough for one team member. Together, Monica, Bill and Gea explore what it means to hear God in business, recognize spiritual realities in the workplace, and see business itself as a place to shepherd people. Ultimately, Monica's story is about intimacy with God, recognizing His voice, and having the courage to follow when He leads somewhere unexpected. Are you interested in the Mentorship Program with Bill and Gea, Monica talked about? Join the online cohort Kingdom Mindsets for Business >>  Timeline 00:19 Meet Monica Ahn01:10 Korean, Brazilian, American—and ordained pastor02:00 Searching for a different way to do church03:15 Can business help fund mission?03:55 An unexpected introduction to Korean skincare05:30 Waiting for God's confirmation07:15 “I'm making you a director”08:20 Experiencing God's presence at a business convention09:00 “You'll go to the nations—but not the way you thought”10:20 Bill: business can open doors to the nations11:55 Sensing spiritual opposition in business13:10 How Kingdom Mindsets changed Monica's perspective14:35 Learning to stand firm spiritually15:55 A call to prayer and fasting16:40 Inviting the entire business team into a 40-day fast18:05 Including people who aren't Christians20:25 30–40 people praying together every day21:35 An unexpected answer to prayer22:50 A daughter's phone call and a custody breakthrough23:45 How prayer changed the atmosphere of the team25:05 Bill: can a business owner also shepherd people?26:15 Learning about fasting27:25 Monica: intimacy with God comes first28:20 Learning to recognize the Holy Spirit's voice29:45 How Monica, Gea and Bill unexpectedly connected31:20 A surprising invitation to mentorship32:00 Closing thoughts#KingdomKeys #BusinessAsMission #FaithAtWork #KingdomBusiness #ChristianBusiness #ChristianEntrepreneur #FaithAndBusiness #PrayerAndFasting #Prayer #MarketplaceMinistry #BusinessMinistry #KingdomEntrepreneur #HolySpirit #WalkingWithGod #Calling #ChristianLeadership #BAM #BillJob #MonicaAhn #BAMMoves #GeaGort

What if your business is not separate from your calling—but actually part of it? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job talk with “Jacob,” a fifth-generation Dutch entrepreneur whose family has worked in the food industry for more than 125 years. As a teenager, Jacob sensed a call to serve God among the nations and assumed that might mean leaving business for full-time ministry. Instead, God gradually brought his calling and entrepreneurship together. Jacob shares how his journey eventually took him to Asia, where he developed a protein-rich food business with a holistic mission. The road was far from straightforward: partnerships failed, doors closed, cultural mistakes were made, and he encountered situations where corruption was considered normal. Yet along the way, Jacob repeatedly saw unexpected people, ideas, and opportunities come together. One of his most important practices is surprisingly simple: every Sunday morning he walks for one or two hours, praying, listening, and bringing his business before God. The conversation explores calling, integrity, receiving ideas from God, finding the right people, and redefining profit as impact—not simply money. Jacob’s encouragement is simple: you don’t need to anxiously search for your calling. Ask God for wisdom and guidance, walk faithfully, and trust Him to lead. Timeline 00:19 Meet Jacob: fifth-generation entrepreneur01:20 125 years of faith and family business03:20 “Every job is a calling”03:35 Smuggling Bibles behind the Iron Curtain04:35 A surprising call from Acts 2206:00 Staying in business instead of entering ministry07:15 Growing the Dutch family business07:40 The move toward Asia08:10 Encountering extreme poverty and spiritual pressure10:30 Business mistakes and the importance of understanding culture11:40 Recognizing an old calling in a new place13:10 Starting again without local partners13:45 Finding employees in unexpected ways14:55 Bill: trusting God for the right people17:20 Seeing God’s hand in key relationships18:15 Receiving business ideas from God18:45 Redefining profit as impact20:25 Jacob’s weekly prayer walks22:15 George Washington Carver and receiving ideas from God23:20 How calling becomes clearer over a lifetime24:10 “Ask for guidance and God will guide you”25:40 Choosing integrity when corruption is expected26:30 Working for your real Master27:25 Bill: relationship, trust and the “easy yoke”29:00 Closing #KingdomKeys #BusinessAsMission #BAM #FaithAtWork #ChristianBusiness #KingdomBusiness #Calling #FaithAndBusiness #ChristianEntrepreneur #BusinessWithGod #PurposeDrivenBusiness #KingdomEntrepreneur #IntegrityInBusiness #WalkingWithGod #ChristianLeadership #ImpactBusiness #BillJob #BAMMoves

If we believe God owns it all, does that change the way we invest? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job welcome Don Simmons, an investment professional with nearly 40 years of experience and author of The Steward Investor. Don shares how his understanding of stewardship changed—from helping people grow their wealth and give generously to seeing how investments themselves can accomplish God’s purposes. What if our money could help build businesses that address poverty, create opportunities, share the gospel and help communities flourish? Together, we explore: What “God owns it all” means for our investments.Why profits can serve employees, customers and communities.The personal story behind The Steward Investor.Bill’s “400-year rule” for making decisions with eternity in mind.Finding joy in obedience, even through business difficulties.A vision of prosperity that blesses an entire neighborhood.An honest and challenging conversation for investors, entrepreneurs and anyone seeking to steward what God has entrusted to them. See more on Don's website https://www.thestewardinvestor.com/Explore Don’s book The Steward Investor, and his Wealth and Wisdom videos for more on faith, finances and stewardship  Want to integrate your faith with your business? Discover Kingdom Mindsets for Business, the hands-on, ten-week online journey with Gea and Bill. Subscribe for conversations about walking with God in business, life and work. CHAPTERS 00:00 Introduction and welcome01:30 Meet Don Simmons: rethinking wealth and stewardship03:49 Discovering the missional potential of investing06:00 God owns it all—what does that change?06:59 Bill and Don’s connection08:16 The story behind The Steward Investor12:16 Rethinking the foundations of investing13:53 Walking with God as the Owner16:12 Using profits to build people17:46 A growing movement of redemptive investment19:25 Investing to address poverty and exploitation21:31 An eternal perspective and the “400-year rule”24:46 Practical resources: Wealth and Wisdom25:44 Joy and obedience through business difficulties28:03 What does “well done, good and faithful servant” mean?28:41 Investing in flourishing neighborhoods29:44 When the righteous prosper, the city rejoices30:44 Closing prayer31:58 Farewell32:16 Kingdom Mindsets for Business#BusinessAsMission #FaithAndWork #Stewardship #ChristianInvesting #KingdomBusiness #TheStewardInvestor #DonSimmons #ChristianEntrepreneur #FaithDrivenInvesting #KingdomMindsets #BillJob #GeaGort

What if caring for creation is not optional—but central to God's mission? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job welcome Mark Polet—biologist, Business as Mission (BAM) leader, and passionate advocate for Creation Care. Mark shares his remarkable journey from environmental scientist to global BAM practitioner, explaining how caring for the earth became an essential part of his calling. Together they explore why creation care is not a distraction from the Gospel but an expression of it. They discuss how the BAM movement has rediscovered the environmental "bottom line," how businesses can contribute to ecological and spiritual flourishing, and why restoring land, communities, and relationships reflects God's Kingdom. Filled with practical stories from Central Asia, Africa, and beyond, this conversation offers hope that business can become a powerful force for restoration. In this episode you'll discover: Why Creation Care belongs at the heart of Business as MissionHow stewardship reflects the character of GodThe turning point that changed the BAM movementPractical examples of businesses restoring people and the landWhy flourishing creation points people to the CreatorHow every believer can participate in God's restoration of the worldWhether you're an entrepreneur, business leader, or simply passionate about God's Kingdom, this conversation will broaden your vision of mission and stewardship.👉 Learn more about Mark's work at regen.global  Subscribe for more conversations on faith, business, leadership and Kingdom living. #BusinessAsMission #CreationCare #KingdomKeys #FaithAtWork #ChristianBusiness #KingdomBusiness #Stewardship #EnvironmentalStewardship #Creation #Leadership #FaithAndWork #BAMGlobal #ChristianLeadership #Mission #Regeneration #BillJob #MarkPolet

How can busy entrepreneurs and leaders make space for people, their responsibilities—and God—without becoming overwhelmed? In this episode, Gea Gort continues her conversation with entrepreneur Bill Job about working with God rather than carrying every responsibility alone. Bill shares how he seeks God’s guidance not only about what to do, but also how to do it. Drawing from the example of Jesus, they explore what it means to do what should be done—without trying to do everything that could be done. They discuss intuition, daily decisions, other people’s expectations, joy in ordinary tasks, and the importance of investing in our relationship with God through worship. Bill also speaks honestly about setbacks, spiritual battles and seasons when a business does not seem to flourish. He closes with an encouraging update about a vertical farming project in China that appeared to have failed—but is now unexpectedly gaining new momentum. A practical and honest conversation for entrepreneurs and professionals who want to experience greater freedom, joy and dependence on God in their everyday work. Would you like to integrate your faith more deeply with your business? Gea and Bill also facilitate the ten-week online training Kingdom Mindsets for Business—a hands-on journey for businesspeople from around the world >> www.bammoves.com Subscribe to Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work for a new episode every two weeks.

What if the most important business metric isn't profit—but people? After returning to China recently, Bill Job experienced a profound shift in how he sees leadership. Instead of focusing primarily on financial performance, God reminded him that He is interested first and foremost in people. In this deeply practical conversation, Bill shares how God led him back into active leadership of his manufacturing company, where he began learning the names and stories of more than 70 employees. Rather than measuring success only by financial results, Bill explores what it means to steward a business that belongs to God and to create eternal value in the workplace. This episode is full of practical insights for business leaders, entrepreneurs, managers, and anyone who wants to integrate faith into everyday work. In this episode you'll discover: Why Bill returned to lead his company in ChinaWhat it means when God is the true Owner of your businessWhy people—not profit—are God's primary metricThe surprising power of learning employees' namesHow God's presence changes workplace leadershipCreating eternal value through ordinary businessPractical ways to "see" people as God sees themIf this conversation encouraged you, please like the video, subscribe to the channel, and share it with someone who wants to integrate faith and work. 👉 Learn more about the 10-week training Kingdom Mindsets for Business: https://bammoves.com Chapters 00:00 Introduction01:15 Why Bill's joy meter was a 10 after returning to China03:20 Returning to lead the company again06:00 What if God owns the business?10:15 God's business metric: people before profit15:30 "I want to be among the people"18:45 Learning the names of 70 employees22:30 The power of making people feel seen27:00 Practical examples from the factory floor33:00 Leading with God's presence instead of pressure38:00 Does this require great management?42:30 Creating eternal value through business46:00 Final encouragement for business leaders#BusinessAsMission #FaithAndWork #KingdomBusiness #ChristianLeadership #KingdomEntrepreneur #Leadership #BusinessLeadership #WorkplaceMinistry #Entrepreneurship #BillJob #KingdomMindsets #BusinessForGod #ChristianBusiness #PurposeDrivenBusiness #BAMMoves

What if business could become an act of worship—and a catalyst for transforming an entire city? In this inspiring conversation, Paul Unsworth shares the bigger vision that emerged from Kahaila, the coffee shop and social enterprise movement he started in the heart of East London. Drawing from the rich history of London’s ancient guilds and "Worshipful Companies," Paul explores how business leaders, churches, and communities can work together to address social challenges, create opportunities, and seek the flourishing of their cities. Together with Bill Job and Gea Gort, Paul reflects on God's heart for cities, the role of business in social transformation, and why worship is far more than something we do on Sundays. What if your company, organization, or daily work became an expression of worship to God? This conversation will challenge and inspire entrepreneurs, church leaders, and anyone who longs to see faith make a tangible impact in society. The next cohort Kingdom Mindsets for Business starts Wednesday September 23rd. You are invited to join this 10-week online program, which includes six biweekly sessions with Bill and Gea. Due to the smaller group setting, space is limited.  Timeline 00:00 Introduction and recap of Kahaila's story01:28 Church for the unchurched: coffee shops, bakeries, and social impact02:46 From a local project to a vision for transforming London03:41 Isaiah 61 and God's heart for cities06:04 Discovering God's call to a specific place07:15 London's challenges after COVID: isolation, stress, and mental health08:39 Business as a response to social injustice10:03 The surprising Christian roots of London's Worshipful Companies12:06 Business as worship and social transformation14:01 The vision for modern "Worshipping Companies"15:03 Returning to ancient blueprints for city transformation17:01 Worship in the workplace: Bill Job's experience19:09 How churches can release entrepreneurs into their calling22:05 What does a Kingdom business look like?23:36 The power of collaboration for city-wide impact24:58 Can 10% of business owners transform a city?28:04 Giving God your "yes" like Joshua and Caleb29:14 Paul's prayer for business leaders and entrepreneursIf this conversation encouraged you, please like, subscribe, and share it with someone who is passionate about faith, business, and transforming communities.

What happens when a church starts looking more like a coffee shop than a Sunday service? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life and Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job talk with Paul Unsworth, founder of Kahaila, a thriving café and community in East London that has become a powerful example of Business as Mission in action. As a Baptist pastor, Paul became convinced that many people would never walk into a church building—but they would walk into a coffee shop. That conviction led him to create a space where people could belong before they believed, where faith could be discovered through relationships, hospitality, and practical love. What started as a café on Brick Lane grew into initiatives helping women leave sex work, supporting survivors of human trafficking, creating employment opportunities, and launching new businesses that continue to transform lives. Paul also shares honestly about the challenges: growing too fast, navigating organizational tensions, surviving COVID, and learning to trust God's voice through seasons of pruning and uncertainty. This conversation is a powerful encouragement for anyone sensing God's invitation to step out in faith, even when they feel unqualified. Paul: "My main gift isn't entrepreneurship. My main gift is faith."  The next cohort Kingdom Mindsets for Business starts Wednesday September 23rd. You are invited to join this 10-week online program, which includes six biweekly sessions with Bill and Gea. Due to the smaller group setting, space is limited.  In this episode: Why Paul skipped church to explore London's streetsCreating belonging before beliefStarting a café as a form of churchHow business became a platform for missionSupporting women leaving sex work and survivors of traffickingLessons from rapid growth and painful pruningHearing God's voice in difficult seasonsWhy faith matters more than expertiseHow God provides what we need when we step out in obedience#BusinessAsMission #BAM #KingdomBusiness #FaithAtWork #Kahaila #PaulUnsworth #BillJob #GeaGort #KingdomKeys

What happens when you think you heard God clearly… but life turns out completely different? In this honest and deeply personal conversation, host Gea Gort sits down again with Bill Job to talk about disappointment, closed doors, wrong assumptions, and learning to trust God beyond outcomes. Together they explore what it means to live with God instead of merely doing things for Him. Bill shares stories of missing direction, unexpected detours, surrender, desires, identity, and the surprising freedom that comes from relationship over performance. From airplanes and mission life to unanswered expectations and spiritual growth, this episode is full of vulnerable reflections and practical wisdom for anyone trying to discern God’s voice in everyday life. Timeline 00:00 – Introduction00:20 – What if you thought God spoke… but things turned out differently?01:16 – Bill shares how often he “misses it” and learning to recover quickly02:47 – Fear of making wrong decisions and learning to trust God04:46 – Surrender, obedience, and the adventure of following Jesus06:26 – “Slave” language, identity, and God’s character07:47 – Does following God mean losing yourself?09:01 – Airplanes, desires, and how God gives gifts12:33 – Sacrifice, suffering, and religious thinking14:03 – Dying to self versus living resurrected life18:17 – Still learning after decades of walking with God19:24 – The oil drilling story: when the real “oil” was people21:04 – Closed doors, disappointment, and healing deeper issues24:05 – Ministry success versus relationship with God26:28 – From performance and goals to deeper intimacy28:01 – Spiritual warfare and opposition29:21 – Final reflections and looking ahead to future conversationsThis conversation doesn’t offer simple formulas or “five steps to success” — but it does invite you into a more relational, honest, and freeing walk with God. #KingdomKeys #BillJob #HearingGod #ChristianPodcast #FaithAndWork #BusinessAsMission #DiscerningGodsVoice #ChristianLife #SpiritualGrowth #GeaGort

In this thought-provoking episode, Bill Job explores a powerful metaphor: just as ALS disconnects the brain from the body, many believers live disconnected from the Head — Jesus Himself. Bill shares why hearing God’s voice is not reserved for a spiritual elite, but is meant to be a normal part of everyday life. From practical stories about daily decisions to deeper reflections on identity, shame, joy, and intimacy with God, this conversation challenges religious mindsets and invites listeners into a more relational walk with Jesus. Together, Bill and Gea discuss: What “Spiritual ALS” means for the ChurchWhy many believers struggle to hear God’s voiceThe difference between conviction and condemnationHow church culture and shame can block intimacy with GodLearning to recognize God’s “accent”Living with joy in ordinary daily lifeWhy following Jesus should feel more relational than religiousThis episode is both deeply practical and spiritually refreshing — especially for anyone longing to experience a closer, more natural relationship with God. 📌 In the next episode, Bill will discuss what happens when we think we heard God… but things turn out differently than expected. 👉 Subscribe for more conversations on hearing God, Kingdom living, business, life, and faith. #HearingGod #KingdomLiving #ChristianPodcast #BillJob #FaithAndWork #IntimacyWithGod #SpiritualGrowth #KingdomKeys

What if play isn’t a luxury—but a key to a child’s future? In this episode, Bill Job and I sit down with Ferdi van den Bergh to explore a different side of his journey—far beyond business in the Netherlands. This time, we dive into his heart for children in Uganda and the story behind Tjeko, a growing social enterprise creating spaces where kids can simply be kids. Ferdi shares how a simple moment—watching children peeking through a fence at others playing—sparked a vision: What if every child had access to joy, creativity, and play? From that moment, Tjeko was born. What started as a personal desire to create something for his own daughter has grown into a mission reaching thousands of children—combining business and ministry in a sustainable way. This conversation is about more than playgrounds. It’s about: Seeing the gold in people. Building something that is both social and profitableChoosing joy—even in difficult seasonsAnd discovering how God can use your natural talents for a bigger purpose💡 Key takeaway: You don’t have to separate business and mission. Sometimes, the most powerful impact starts with simply noticing what’s missing—and responding. 🔔 Subscribe for more conversations on faith, business, and impact.

What if the real “gold” in your business isn’t your strategy… but your people? In this episode, we sit down with Ferdi van den Bergh to explore a powerful shift in leadership: from managing performance to discovering hidden value in the people around you. Ferdi shares insights from his upcoming book 'Goud in Handen' (Gold in Hands) and his work with businesses across the Netherlands. Together, with Bill Job, Gea Gort, we unpack what it really means to “see” people—not just for what they do, but for who they are and what they carry. This conversation goes beyond theory. It’s about real businesses, real pressure, and the tension between profit and people—and how both actually belong together. 🔑 What you’ll learn in this episode: Why your employees are the real “gold” in your organizationHow to recognize hidden potential in your teamThe role of vision in unlocking people’s valueWhy timing and patience matter in leadershipThe balance between business results and caring for peopleA simple but powerful practice to start seeing people differently💡 One takeaway to remember: Take two minutes and ask yourself: “When did someone truly see me—and what did that unlock?” Now go and do that for someone else. 📘 Ferdi’s book 'Goud in Handen' (Gold in Hands) launches during a symposium Gold Within, June 23rd in the Netherlands, for info see https://goud-in-handen.nl/   If this episode resonates, don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share it with someone who leads others—at work, at home, or anywhere in between.

What happens when business stops being just about profit and starts becoming a place of discipleship, pastoral care, and listening to God? In this second conversation with Jonathan Brake, we go deeper into what it means to build a disciple-making business. Jonathan shares from his work coaching business owners in the United States, helping leaders create healthy cultures that start with their own formation before function. Together, we explore how hearing God’s voice can shape leadership, coaching, company culture, and the way we value people in the workplace. This conversation is full of practical wisdom for business owners, leaders, and anyone who wants to follow Jesus more closely in everyday work. We talk about: why healthy businesses start with healthy leadershow Jonathan coaches business owners by first listening to their storythe role of listening prayer in leadership and strategyhow God speaks in the middle of business decisionswhy employees are not just resources, but people with eternal valuewhat it means to pastor and disciple people in the workplacehow abiding in God changes the way we leadThis episode is an encouragement for anyone who wants to move from living for God to living with Him — also in business. #JonathanBrake #DiscipleMakingBusiness #FaithAndWork #ChristianLeadership #KingdomBusiness #HearingGod #BusinessAsMission #WorkplaceMinistry #LeadershipCoaching #BAM

What happens when the business you poured your heart into suddenly comes to an end — and you are left not only with uncertainty, but also with shame? In this honest and hope-filled episode, we sit down with Kingdom-minded leader Jonathan Brake to talk about the personal impact of losing his business and the inner journey that followed. Beyond the practical consequences, Jonathan shares openly about the emotional weight he carried — the sense of failure, and the struggle with shame that many entrepreneurs experience but rarely talk about. This conversation offers encouragement for entrepreneurs, leaders, and professionals navigating setbacks, transitions, or unexpected endings. It is a reminder that while businesses can be lost and reputations can feel shaken, purpose rooted in God’s Kingdom remains steady — and new direction can emerge from even the most painful experiences. 🎙 Kingdom Keys for Business, Life and Work is part of the BAM Moves platform, equipping entrepreneurs and leaders to integrate faith, purpose, and practical action in business and everyday life. You can also watch the video version on BAM Moves YouTube channel.

In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life and Work, we continue the conversation with Leen de Bruyne—entrepreneur, author of 'Building a Startup Without Going Crazy, and founder of the Living Hope venture capital fund. Leen shares how a clear sense of calling led him to start Living Hope, a European, faith-driven investment fund—confirmed in unexpected ways. He talks openly about courage, risk, and learning to walk “on water” in business. Central themes include investing in community, stewardship over ownership, and building from meaning instead of fear. This conversation invites you to move from fear to meaning, from ego to calling, a from control to trust—in business and beyond. On Wednesday, March 25th, 2026, the first cohort session of the Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business starts. Interested in this ten-week online training together with Christian entrepreneurs from around the world? Registration and more info at http://www.bammoves.com    #ChristianEntrepreneurship #FaithDrivenInvesting #KingdomBusiness #ChristianBusiness #VentureCapital #BusinessAsMission #FaithAtWork #ChristianLeadership #KingdomEntrepreneur #Stewardship