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When police entered the home of Billie Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth, they found a scene of horror: both parents had been shot, but their infant son was found alive and unharmed in his mother's arms. This episode dives into the proxy violence used by the perpetrator to exact revenge. We break down the 'CIA' emails sent to third parties to incite them to violence and discuss the psychological dynamics of the family that allowed such a transparent lie to take root Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Ad for Reliatrax practice management software Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Have you considered counseling in the past but weren't sure? Are you confused about when might be a good time to see someone? Are you interested in 'preventative maintenance' in your relationship but just aren't decided? Check this episode for more information on why, when, and how some people choose to pursue a therapist Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Ad for Reliatrax practice management software Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

We investigate the ongoing developments in the death of Megan Trussell. Three years after she was found dead in Grand County, the CBI has taken the lead in a comprehensive statutory case review. This episode examines the evidence that prompted the CBI Director to approve this independent look and the specific mandates of the Colorado Cold Case Review team. We highlight the power of family persistence in the face of tragedy and the vital importance of having a 'second set of eyes' on cases that have gone cold or remain shrouded in doubt. Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Ad for Reliatrax practice management software Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

On Monday, January 19th, a therapist in Florida, Rebecca White, was killed by a former client during an evening counseling session with another client. This tragedy hits close to our hearts as clinicians. We talk a little about the case and share a little about how the news feels to fellow counselors. Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Ad for Reliatrax practice management software Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

For twelve agonizing years, actress Eva LaRue lived in a state of constant fear. Today, we break down the relentless campaign of terror orchestrated by James David Rogers, who sent over 50 letters filled with graphic threats of sexual assault and murder. We discuss the most disturbing aspect of the case: Rogers didn't just target Eva; he targeted her young daughter, tracking her from childhood into her teenage years. We explore the psychological toll of a decade-long siege and the digital footprints that finally led the FBI to a small town in Ohio. Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Ad for Reliatrax practice management software Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Join us as we revisit the concept of stalking, this time with a guided tour through the brain activity and research behind how stalking hijacks the brain's natural reward systems to create the twisted fixation that can so often lead to horrible outcomes for the targets of stalkers Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

This week we talk about an update to the 2022 case of John-Paul Miller, an (allegedly) sketchy pastor whose wife was found to have committed suicide. However, new evidence and a new indictment indicate that there was much more going on behind the scenes in this marriage Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Ad for Reliatrax practice management software Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In this quick informational mini, we discuss the laws in Colorado (and other states) requiring law enforcement to make an arrest in any domestic violence call, as well as the criteria they must use to determine who should be taken in. We talk about the difference between primary aggressor at the scene and predominant aggressor in the relationship, and how these criteria should have been applied in the Petito case and how, if they had, we believe Gabby Petito would still be alive Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

What do you do with a killer in your family? Our special guest gives us the inside scoop! In 2020, the murder of 24-year-old Alyssa Burkett shocked Carrollton, Texas. While her ex-boyfriend, Andrew Beard, pulled the trigger, he wasn't acting alone. This episode explores the role of Holly Ann Elkins, the fiancée who spent months meticulously destroying Alyssa’s life. From planting drugs and guns in the victim's car to purchasing the (very offensive!) makeup used in Beard’s disguise, we examine how Elkins acted as the puppet master, goading her partner into committing the unthinkable.  Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Ad for Reliatrax practice management software Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Why do women tend to commit less violent crimes, against others or themselves? Why do they use guns less, and use proxies more? Tune in a for a slightly unhinged and meandering discussion ahead of a special episode this Friday Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In this case, we talk about the Carpool Detectives, a group of moms with a special set of skills who decided to take on a cold case and prove that the deaths of two members of the community were not accidental. Their unique knowledge was enough to prove to law enforcement that the case should be reclassified as suspicious. But how can the true crime community approach these types of cases? And how can we get involved ethically?  Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Ad for Reliatrax practice management software Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

It's time for a year-end wrap up episode! We share some of our stats for the year and talk about our favorite episodes and moments of 2025. Listen in to reminisce with us about the year gone by and hear a little about the exciting things we have planned for next year! Thank you to all our forensic friends! Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

We talk about the recent deaths of Rob and Michele Reiner and the subsequent arrest of their son, Nick, in connection with the deaths. We talk about the difficulty in identifying the root cause of aggressive or antisocial behavior when both mental health and substance issues are in play. And we share our hearts for this pair of talented entertainers and their incredible body of work. Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Ad for Reliatrax practice management software Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In this episode, we break down the vital distinction between helping (doing something for someone that they cannot do for themselves) and enabling (doing something for someone that they can and should do for themselves). We discuss how enabling often stems from a place of love but results in a lack of accountability, and we provide a roadmap for shifting toward empowering support that encourages independence and long-term change. Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Y'all, this case is close to Jeannine's heart. We discuss the latest case to rock the college football world, the stalking and dangerous behavior perpetrated (allegedly?) by Sherrone Moore, the now former head football coach at the University of Michigan. We can't talk about accountability without calling out that it needs to be upheld universally, even (and especially) when it affects something we love. Join us for the discussion of the case, the victims, and how to find good people to be in charge, and keep them accountable Ad for Southeast Counseling in Parker, CO Ad for Reliatrax practice management software Support the show Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.