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25 episodes
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Joe Burnett
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Date created
2025/07/11
Latest episode
2026/02/04
Average duration
57 min.
Release period
9 days

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Joe Burnett is VP of Bitcoin Strategy at Strive (Nasdaq: ASST) following the Strive + Semler Scientific transaction. He previously served as Director of Bitcoin Strategy at Semler Scientific, helping build a treasury of over 5,000 BTC, and as Director of Market Research at Unchained, which secures more than 100,000 BTC. Joe hosts The Mustard Seed podcast and previously worked at Blockware Solutions and Ernst & Young. He holds degrees in Information Systems, Computer Science, and Business Analytics from the University of Georgia.

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Resetting the Global Monetary System on Gold and Bitcoin 🟡🟠
2026/02/04
In this conversation, Joe Burnett sits down with Mark Valek of Incrementum to unpack why today’s debt-based monetary system remains structurally fragile and how it may ultimately be recapitalized. They explore gold and bitcoin as monetary anchors, central bank behavior, inflationary reset scenarios, and why gold has recently outperformed bitcoin despite their shared role as sound money assets. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction and the claim that the current monetary system is unsustainable 02:00 From gold-backed money to debt-based money and the exponential debt problem 05:20 Can the system break, or can fiat last longer than expected? 08:20 How fiat systems may be recapitalized through gold and sound assets 10:48 Do central bankers still understand gold and sound money? 13:30 Long-term outlook: deficits, inflation, and social consequences 20:14 How far gold and bitcoin could run in a recapitalization scenario 24:34 Who is buying gold and why the gold market regime has changed 29:00 Total gold market size and liquidity considerations 32:26 Why bitcoin has lagged gold and how to interpret the divergence 37:34 Closing thoughts and where to find Mark Valek’s work
Understanding the Parabolic Rise of Gold (Analog Bitcoin) with Joe Consorti
2026/01/28
Gold and silver are sending a signal that few are prepared to hear, while bitcoin quietly trades far below its long-term implications. In this conversation, Joe Consorti breaks down sovereign flows, monetary metals, yen carry dynamics, and why bitcoin’s underperformance may be the setup, not the conclusion. If hard money is being repriced globally, the ceiling for bitcoin just moved much higher. Timestamps: 00:00 The Surge of Gold and Silver Prices 05:30 Understanding the Shift in Global Monetary Dynamics 10:14 Bitcoin's Performance in a Changing Market 17:40 The Future of Bitcoin and Its Market Potential 27:58 Bitcoin and Gold Parity: A New Era 31:51 The Yen Carry Trade: Implications for Global Markets 36:51 The Future of the Federal Reserve: Rate Cuts and Inflation 44:56 AI and Its Impact on Productivity and Asset Valuation
The Next Liquidity Wave Will Look Completely Different w/ Peter Dunworth
2026/01/21
Bitcoin did not rally in 2025, yet the foundations for the next decade were laid quietly and decisively. This conversation breaks down why ETFs ended the four-year cycle, how the global collateral crisis points toward bitcoin, and why AI-driven abundance makes fixed digital scarcity more valuable over time. It is a long-term, low-time preference discussion on where capital ultimately settles when incentives, regulation, and technology align. Timestamps: 00:00 - Why bitcoin underperformed in 2025 but fundamentals strengthened 03:06 - Why the four-year bitcoin cycle is ending 05:17 - ETFs changed bitcoin’s market structure permanently 07:33 - How fast bitcoin adoption is really happening 10:13 - What if a bitcoin ETF launched in 2013? 12:18 - Strategic bitcoin reserves and unmet price expectations 15:12 - Why bitcoin supply no longer matters 17:44 - The global collateral crisis and why bitcoin solves it 23:32 - Larry Fink, ETFs, and financializing bitcoin 25:26 - The bamboo analogy for bitcoin’s next growth phase 28:50 - Why a US bitcoin reserve would trigger global adoption 36:19 - Liquidity, manufacturing, and a new economic cycle 40:14 - AI, abundance, and why scarcity makes bitcoin inevitable 47:27 - Bitcoin treasury companies, sentiment, and opportunity 57:57 - Why bitcoin reaching $10 million is plausible
Deflationary Crunch, The Big Print & Buying Bitcoin Back Lower w/ Luke Gromen
2026/01/14
In this episode, Luke Gromen explains why U.S. fiscal math is breaking down, why the Fed is being forced toward monetization, and why real assets are quietly reasserting themselves as paper systems weaken. We discuss the growing divide between the financial world and the physical world, China’s long-term commodity strategy, AI-driven labor disruption, and what these shifts mean for bitcoin, gold, and institutional capital. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction and setting the macro context 00:50 - Trump, the Fed, and why deficit monetization is unavoidable 03:20 - Why U.S. fiscal math is already broken 06:40 - The split between the paper economy and the physical world 09:10 - How China traded dollars for commodities and leverage 12:40 - Why the dollar no longer guarantees access to real resources 13:55 - Supreme Court tariffs and whether policy choices still matter 15:10 - Why markets remain complacent despite rising global risk 18:05 - Where real stress is showing up beneath the surface 21:15 - AI as a productivity shock to white-collar employment 24:00 - Lessons from China joining the WTO and job displacement 26:45 - Political consequences of economic dislocation 29:10 - Deflationary crash versus inflationary reset scenarios 32:50 - Why execution and communication determine outcomes 34:40 - Why Luke reduced his bitcoin exposure 37:05 - Bitcoin versus gold and changing macro relationships 40:40 - Institutional behavior and long-term technical signals 44:00 - What would bring Luke back into bitcoin 48:15 - How low bitcoin could fall in a deflationary shock 52:35 - Unknown risks and why position sizing matters 56:20 - Can bitcoin surpass gold’s total market value
Bitcoin to $10,000,000 with Rajat Soni
2026/01/07
Bitcoin stands as a transformational tool for saving and capital allocation in a digital world. Rajat Soni explains how legacy finance models break down when applied to bitcoin and why the characteristics of money matter more than traditional valuation models. Viewers will gain a clear framework for thinking in decades and for understanding how Wall Street will eventually reprice the economy in bitcoin terms. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction and goals for the episode 01:06 - Rajat Soni’s background in fixed income management 03:04 - Discovering bitcoin through reading The bitcoin standard 05:18 - Leaving traditional finance and finding purpose in bitcoin 07:15 - Origins of the CFA Institute investigations 10:01 - How loan collateral works in bitcoin 12:19 - Why bitcoin functions as money 16:30 - Misconceptions about intrinsic value 18:09 - Characteristics of effective money 22:00 - Global demand for bitcoin as a medium of exchange 25:38 - Real estate as a savings vehicle 31:01 - Incentives shaping economies with bitcoin 34:19 - Bitcoin’s long-term outlook 36:34 - Integration of bitcoin and digital credit markets 40:06 - Future implications for investors 47:51 - Demand shocks and supply tightness 56:07 - Digital credit instruments and bitcoin 57:12 - Closing remarks and where to follow Rajat’s work
MSTR’s Evolution into a Bitcoin Capital Markets Machine with Brian Brookshire
2025/12/23
MSTR’s bitcoin strategy is no longer a theory. It is a proven capital markets machine reshaping how corporations accumulate bitcoin through preferred equity, digital credit, and disciplined balance-sheet design. In this episode, we examine why volatility is being monetized, why fixed income is the next frontier, and why this strategy is built to compound over decades, not quarters. 00:00 - Why MicroStrategy’s bitcoin strategy was misunderstood 02:30 - The 2024 blow-off top that ignited bitcoin treasury adoption 05:00 - Why price action is the true signal for corporate bitcoin adoption 07:45 - How the strategy model survived the bear market 09:15 - The pivot from convertible bonds to perpetual preferred equity 12:10 - Why preferred equity works better in volatile markets 15:00 - Digital credit and unlocking the $300 trillion fixed-income market 18:45 - How long the bitcoin capital-markets arbitrage can last 22:45 - Bitcoin’s end game, AI, and long-term growth limits 27:20 - What digital credit looks like in the next bitcoin bull market 31:30 - Is BTC Yield a flawed or misunderstood metric 36:45 - Digital money, stablecoins, and building on bitcoin credit 44:00 - Has Saylor actually changed the core bitcoin strategy 49:15 - OG selling, volatility suppression, and market structure 54:30 - Why holding a USD reserve strengthens the bitcoin strategy
Making Bitcoin Quantum-Resistant with Hunter Beast
2025/12/18
Bitcoin’s security assumptions are entering a new era as quantum computing moves from theory toward reality. In this episode, Hunter Beast explains which bitcoin are actually at risk, why most supply remains safe, and how Bitcoin can evolve without compromising its core principles. This is a sober, long-term discussion on cryptography, state-level threats, and why Bitcoin remains the strongest monetary system for the decades ahead. Timestamps: 00:00 - Welcome and why quantum matters for bitcoin 04:28 - What quantum computers are and why they are different 10:13 - How quantum computers break cryptography 17:35 - Why quantum risk specifically matters for bitcoin 19:44 - Which bitcoin are actually vulnerable today 23:28 - Why Taproot changes the quantum threat model 27:26 - High-level recap of bitcoin’s quantum exposure 30:14 - NSA, NIST, and why government cryptography cannot be trusted 32:40 - Why hash-based cryptography may be bitcoin’s safest path 40:39 - Broken money, central banking, and why bitcoin matters 51:56 - What the bitcoin community should focus on next 54:43 - The “quantum discount” on bitcoin’s future value 57:39 - Why bitcoin survives even state-level adversaries 01:00:06 - Final thoughts and where to follow Hunter Beast
QE-lite Sets Up Bitcoin’s 2026 Explosion with Joe Consorti
2025/12/11
Bitcoin is entering a new phase as the Fed quietly shifts back toward balance sheet expansion and the market begins to reveal which assets can survive a decade of structural monetary distortion. In this episode Joe Consorti breaks down why liquidity is returning, why the four year cycle may be fading, and why bitcoin remains the strongest asset in a world where Main Street weakens and Wall Street inflates. We walk through the signals that matter most for 2026 and why disciplined, long horizon investors should stay focused on bitcoin's role as the apex monetary asset. Timestamps: 00:00 – Joe Consorti returns and reflects on past bitcoin calls 01:02 – Why the Fed’s new policy feels like 2019 QE-lite 03:29 – Market reaction: stocks rip, bitcoin lags 05:17 – Trump’s likely new Fed chair and what it means for bitcoin 07:35 – Why the Fed’s “brakes” no longer work 09:37 – Fiscal dominance: Treasury and Fed become one 12:33 – The K-shaped economy explained 15:53 – Why the Fed always sacrifices Main Street for Wall Street 17:22 – Bitcoin as the escape from financial repression 21:04 – Digital credit and how bitcoin flips bond markets 25:39 – Bitcoin’s sensitivity to financial conditions 28:53 – Why liquidity expansion historically ignites bitcoin 31:39 – Credit spreads: the number one risk signal for bitcoin 33:11 – Bitcoin outlook for early 2026 39:11 – Is the four-year cycle dead or alive? 44:24 – ETFs and new buyers reshape bitcoin market structure 49:38 – Why bitcoin corrections should be shallower this cycle 52:23 – Final thoughts and what to expect in Q1
Was the Bitcoin Crash Just a Fakeout? with John Haar
2025/12/03
Bitcoin is entering a new phase where old narratives are breaking down and real macro forces are taking over. In this episode, John Haar explains why the halving cycle is losing its power, how corporate balance sheets and global credit markets are setting the stage for explosive long-term adoption, and why 2026 may redefine every prior price cycle.Timestamps:00:00 - Intro and 2025 bitcoin price action & sentiment02:05 - Why this is not a repeat of the 2021 cycle top09:44 - Are halvings still driving bitcoin or are they becoming irrelevant?12:02 - John’s base case: new ATH above $130k in 2026 and the end of the 4-year cycle meme19:15 - Bitcoin vs Mag 7: why it’s still the best debasement trade in a passive world30:24 - Why “credit came before money” makes no sense logically33:18 - MMT, government IOUs, and the push to normalize debt-based money36:27 - What drives the next wave of bitcoin adoption and who joins next40:10 - What credit looks like on a bitcoin standard vs today’s dollar debt system44:52 - How corporate debt issuance is a speculative attack on the dollar48:45 - Bitcoin treasury companies: from overheated hype to “ice cold” sentiment50:25 - Can $300T of fixed income eventually flow into bitcoin-backed digital credit?58:26 - Why strategy is stockpiling 1–2 years of USD reserves for its preferreds59:38 - Catalysts for the next bitcoin bull run into 2026
Amplified Bitcoin, STRC, and Core vs Knots with Stephan Livera
2025/11/19
In this episode, Stephan Livera breaks down how digital credit, Stretch, and amplified treasury strategies are pulling future buying pressure into the present, why Core versus Knots has become more noise than signal, and how miner incentives, spam debates, and quantum FUD fit into the bigger picture. We dig into the power law model, medium-of-exchange progress, and the mechanics behind volatility itself to understand where bitcoin is truly headed as adoption accelerates. Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:32 - What digital credit actually means 02:04 - Digital credit and the speculative attack 05:16 - What amplified bitcoin really is 06:08 - Why bitcoin’s volatility feels so brutal 09:35 - Can past performance predict bitcoin’s future? 14:24 - Why the power law model matters 15:02 - Will treasury companies amplify volatility? 19:42 - Digital credit’s reflexive feedback loop 23:53 - Bitcoin Core vs. Bitcoin Knots explained 36:53 - Quantum computing: real risk or distant FUD? 43:21 - Is bitcoin finally becoming a medium of exchange? 47:54 - Are four-year cycles real or just memes?
Bitcoin, the business cycle, and the coming wave of monetary easing with Joe Consorti
2025/11/06
Bitcoin just had one of its worst days of the year, yet the story beneath the surface tells something far more important. In this episode, Joe Consorti explains why the sell-off may be a sign of strength, how long-term holders are quietly redistributing their coins, and why this cycle is unlike any before. We explore the shifting macro landscape, the rise of socialism as a symptom of broken money, and how concentrated equity markets reveal deeper structural fragility. Joe also breaks down why bitcoin tracks the business cycle more than the halving cycle and why easing financial conditions could set the stage for its next major rally. Timestamps: 00:00 - Bitcoin’s second-worst day of 2025 02:31 - Why $95,000 is the key level to watch 10:04 - Why market sentiment feels terrible despite strong equities 14:29 - Bitcoin’s “silent IPO” and the great redistribution 19:55 - How bitcoin’s wealth inequality is actually shrinking 26:30 - Rise of socialism and the downfall of New York City 34:15 - The dangerous concentration in the S&P 500 39:10 - Nvidia’s $5 trillion milestone and what it signals 42:47 - Treasury Secretary praises bitcoin while government shuts down 50:54 - Bitcoin’s price follows the business cycle, not the halving cycle 53:37 - Trump, Powell, and the coming asset-price melt-up
Bitcoin, AI, and self-storage: building the new productive economy with Kenny Alves
2025/10/31
A new era of business is emerging, led not by Wall Street but by bitcoin. In this episode, Kenny Alves explains how his family’s self-storage company is becoming a bitcoin treasury, converting cash flow into sound money and preparing to borrow against bitcoin to expand real assets. We discuss why small business adoption is the next frontier of hyperbitcoinization, how bitcoin’s volatility is simply a measure of its growth, and why AI and robotics could accelerate productivity in the bitcoin economy. Kenny reveals how pairing bitcoin with cash-generating businesses could create an unstoppable engine of compounding wealth. Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro: how a small business merged with bitcoin 1:10 - Turning self storage into a bitcoin treasury 2:45 - Why banks are killing safe deposit boxes 5:35 - Refinancing real estate with bitcoin loans 7:10 - The two models of bitcoin treasury companies 10:00 - Using bitcoin as productive collateral 12:16 - Why bitcoin treasury companies will dominate every industry 14:10 - Bitcoin as pristine collateral for a new credit system 19:15 - Why lenders still charge 10% on bitcoin loans 21:00 - The quiet bitcoin shift happening in Washington 23:00 - How small businesses can spark mass bitcoin adoption 27:00 - Which companies should adopt a bitcoin treasury first 31:00 - Why bitcoin’s volatility is just rapid growth 35:00 - Nvidia hits $5T: what it means for bitcoin 36:00 - How AI is reshaping business and productivity 39:00 - The coming wave of humanoid robots 44:40 - The long-term vision: bitcoin, AI, and self storage
What does the world look like at $10,000,000 BTC? with Fred Krueger
2025/10/21
What if bitcoin replaced the foundation of global money? In this episode, Fred Krueger explains what a $10 million bitcoin world could look like, why traditional assets may underperform under a hard-money system, and how AI and automation could reshape society in the process. We examine the timeline for bitcoin’s full monetization, how deflation can drive innovation instead of destruction, and why the 60/40 portfolio no longer works. Fred shares his framework for applying the Kelly criteria, the importance of ETFs in accelerating adoption, and how this transition could spark the greatest wealth transfer in history. Timestamps: 00:00 – Intro and welcome to The Mustard Seed Podcast 00:37 – What a $10 million bitcoin world could look like 02:10 – Why bitcoin and the dollar will likely coexist 06:54 – Why real estate and stocks could underperform in the bitcoin era 09:02 – Why markets haven’t front-run $10 million bitcoin yet 16:59 – Can a deflationary money like bitcoin support growth? 20:42 – Life and credit in a hard-money system 26:56 – Can we reach $10 million bitcoin without a crisis? 33:01 – AI and automation meet bitcoin: a new society emerges 37:24 – Why the 60/40 portfolio is broken in the bitcoin era 42:39 – How yield fits in retirement portfolios 44:39 – Allocating 70–75% to bitcoin: Fred’s case for the Kelly criteria 45:20 – Will bitcoin wealth concentrate or distribute over time? 48:33 – The ETF wave and the next class of bitcoin investors 53:29 – Would Fred Krueger ever sell bitcoin to buy stocks? 58:01 – The 70/30 portfolio: bitcoin plus passion projects 01:03:00 – How bitcoin and AI together will create mass abundance 01:08:47 – Why Fred’s book passed Ray Dalio on Amazon
Gold is screaming, so why isn’t bitcoin? with Joe Consorti
2025/10/17
Is the global monetary system is cracking? In this episode, Joe Consorti explains why gold’s record-breaking surge is a warning signal, how sovereigns are accelerating a shift in global finance, and why bitcoin may soon explode after months of consolidation. We cover the Fed’s race to respond faster to every crisis, what renewed liquidity means for risk assets, and how monetary easing could fuel the next leg of bitcoin adoption. Joe also breaks down Strategy’s STRC and why digital credit could redefine yield as capital moves from fiat to bitcoin-based instruments. Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro and welcome to The Mustard Seed Podcast 00:35 - Why gold is up 62% in 2025 03:18 - The global monetary reordering underway 06:14 - Why bitcoin can still move violently higher 11:13 - Why bitcoin beats gold as a store of value 13:21 - How banks now view bitcoin as part of the gold trade 16:20 - Why gold is outperforming bitcoin this year 20:35 - How the Fed, shutdowns, and tariffs weigh on bitcoin 24:05 - Why the Fed’s crisis response time keeps accelerating 29:17 - Why the Fed can’t allow a protracted bear market 35:16 - Comparing 2021’s tightening to today’s easing cycle 40:10 - What happens when liquidity returns to markets 44:58 - Introducing digital credit and MicroStrategy’s STRC 48:39 - Why STRC could attract yield-hungry investors 52:09 - Why bitcoin’s next breakout could be explosive 54:29 - Final thoughts and closing advice from Joe Consorti
Bitcoin and AI will define the next century with Christian Catalini from Lightspark
2025/10/08
Bitcoin is becoming the foundation of a new financial and technological order. In this episode, Christian Catalini shares why open networks must win over corporate blockchains, how the Lightning Network and Spark are unlocking true global payments, and what lessons he learned building Libra inside Facebook. We explore the limits of stablecoins, the risks of leverage, and why proof of work may be humanity’s greatest defense in a world racing toward automation. Timestamps: 00:00 - Welcome and guest intro 00:20 - The MIT bitcoin experiment 02:09 - Why Christian is a bitcoin pragmatist 02:30 - Linux analogy for bitcoin 04:11 - Making Lightning Network enterprise grade 05:37 - Before Lightspark: MIT professor to fintech researcher 08:12 - Inside Project Libra 10:04 - Building on permissionless open networks 11:10 - When block subsidies fall to zero 15:06 - How AI reshapes work and value 17:31 - Why AI agents should not hold wallets 18:40 - Micropayments for agents with Lightning 20:29 - Are we plateauing or accelerating in AI 22:49 - Redefining capitalism for the AI era 24:18 - The real AI risk: unknown preferences 26:51 - bitcoin and money in an automated world 28:24 - Proof of work as time and energy 31:32 - Is AI bigger than bitcoin 32:27 - The current state of the Lightning Network 44:24 - Thoughts on Saylor’s preferred equity 47:40 - Closing call to builders to choose open networks

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Joe B34 2025/07/11
Excellent Podcast
The Mustard Seed podcast is an absolute gem for anyone interested in bitcoin and long-term, contrarian thinking! The host’s background in technology c...
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al b 12 2025/07/11
Get on board!
This is the way! Looking forward to hearing the latest insights from Joe and his community of thought leaders!
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