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2026/02/04
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Joe Burnett is VP of Bitcoin Strategy at Strive (Nasdaq: ASST) following the Strive + Semler Scientific transaction. He previously served as Director of Bitcoin Strategy at Semler Scientific, helping build a treasury of over 5,000 BTC, and as Director of Market Research at Unchained, which secures more than 100,000 BTC. Joe hosts The Mustard Seed podcast and previously worked at Blockware Solutions and Ernst & Young. He holds degrees in Information Systems, Computer Science, and Business Analytics from the University of Georgia.
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Resetting the Global Monetary System on Gold and Bitcoin 🟡🟠
2026/02/04
In this conversation, Joe Burnett sits down with Mark Valek of Incrementum to unpack why today’s debt-based monetary system remains structurally fragile and how it may ultimately be recapitalized. They explore gold and bitcoin as monetary anchors, central bank behavior, inflationary reset scenarios, and why gold has recently outperformed bitcoin despite their shared role as sound money assets.
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction and the claim that the current monetary system is unsustainable
02:00 From gold-backed money to debt-based money and the exponential debt problem
05:20 Can the system break, or can fiat last longer than expected?
08:20 How fiat systems may be recapitalized through gold and sound assets
10:48 Do central bankers still understand gold and sound money?
13:30 Long-term outlook: deficits, inflation, and social consequences
20:14 How far gold and bitcoin could run in a recapitalization scenario
24:34 Who is buying gold and why the gold market regime has changed
29:00 Total gold market size and liquidity considerations
32:26 Why bitcoin has lagged gold and how to interpret the divergence
37:34 Closing thoughts and where to find Mark Valek’s work
Understanding the Parabolic Rise of Gold (Analog Bitcoin) with Joe Consorti
2026/01/28
Gold and silver are sending a signal that few are prepared to hear, while bitcoin quietly trades far below its long-term implications. In this conversation, Joe Consorti breaks down sovereign flows, monetary metals, yen carry dynamics, and why bitcoin’s underperformance may be the setup, not the conclusion. If hard money is being repriced globally, the ceiling for bitcoin just moved much higher.
Timestamps:
00:00 The Surge of Gold and Silver Prices
05:30 Understanding the Shift in Global Monetary Dynamics
10:14 Bitcoin's Performance in a Changing Market
17:40 The Future of Bitcoin and Its Market Potential
27:58 Bitcoin and Gold Parity: A New Era
31:51 The Yen Carry Trade: Implications for Global Markets
36:51 The Future of the Federal Reserve: Rate Cuts and Inflation
44:56 AI and Its Impact on Productivity and Asset Valuation
The Next Liquidity Wave Will Look Completely Different w/ Peter Dunworth
2026/01/21
Bitcoin did not rally in 2025, yet the foundations for the next decade were laid quietly and decisively. This conversation breaks down why ETFs ended the four-year cycle, how the global collateral crisis points toward bitcoin, and why AI-driven abundance makes fixed digital scarcity more valuable over time. It is a long-term, low-time preference discussion on where capital ultimately settles when incentives, regulation, and technology align.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Why bitcoin underperformed in 2025 but fundamentals strengthened
03:06 - Why the four-year bitcoin cycle is ending
05:17 - ETFs changed bitcoin’s market structure permanently
07:33 - How fast bitcoin adoption is really happening
10:13 - What if a bitcoin ETF launched in 2013?
12:18 - Strategic bitcoin reserves and unmet price expectations
15:12 - Why bitcoin supply no longer matters
17:44 - The global collateral crisis and why bitcoin solves it
23:32 - Larry Fink, ETFs, and financializing bitcoin
25:26 - The bamboo analogy for bitcoin’s next growth phase
28:50 - Why a US bitcoin reserve would trigger global adoption
36:19 - Liquidity, manufacturing, and a new economic cycle
40:14 - AI, abundance, and why scarcity makes bitcoin inevitable
47:27 - Bitcoin treasury companies, sentiment, and opportunity
57:57 - Why bitcoin reaching $10 million is plausible
Deflationary Crunch, The Big Print & Buying Bitcoin Back Lower w/ Luke Gromen
2026/01/14
In this episode, Luke Gromen explains why U.S. fiscal math is breaking down, why the Fed is being forced toward monetization, and why real assets are quietly reasserting themselves as paper systems weaken. We discuss the growing divide between the financial world and the physical world, China’s long-term commodity strategy, AI-driven labor disruption, and what these shifts mean for bitcoin, gold, and institutional capital.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction and setting the macro context
00:50 - Trump, the Fed, and why deficit monetization is unavoidable
03:20 - Why U.S. fiscal math is already broken
06:40 - The split between the paper economy and the physical world
09:10 - How China traded dollars for commodities and leverage
12:40 - Why the dollar no longer guarantees access to real resources
13:55 - Supreme Court tariffs and whether policy choices still matter
15:10 - Why markets remain complacent despite rising global risk
18:05 - Where real stress is showing up beneath the surface
21:15 - AI as a productivity shock to white-collar employment
24:00 - Lessons from China joining the WTO and job displacement
26:45 - Political consequences of economic dislocation
29:10 - Deflationary crash versus inflationary reset scenarios
32:50 - Why execution and communication determine outcomes
34:40 - Why Luke reduced his bitcoin exposure
37:05 - Bitcoin versus gold and changing macro relationships
40:40 - Institutional behavior and long-term technical signals
44:00 - What would bring Luke back into bitcoin
48:15 - How low bitcoin could fall in a deflationary shock
52:35 - Unknown risks and why position sizing matters
56:20 - Can bitcoin surpass gold’s total market value
Bitcoin to $10,000,000 with Rajat Soni
2026/01/07
Bitcoin stands as a transformational tool for saving and capital allocation in a digital world. Rajat Soni explains how legacy finance models break down when applied to bitcoin and why the characteristics of money matter more than traditional valuation models. Viewers will gain a clear framework for thinking in decades and for understanding how Wall Street will eventually reprice the economy in bitcoin terms.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction and goals for the episode
01:06 - Rajat Soni’s background in fixed income management
03:04 - Discovering bitcoin through reading The bitcoin standard
05:18 - Leaving traditional finance and finding purpose in bitcoin
07:15 - Origins of the CFA Institute investigations
10:01 - How loan collateral works in bitcoin
12:19 - Why bitcoin functions as money
16:30 - Misconceptions about intrinsic value
18:09 - Characteristics of effective money
22:00 - Global demand for bitcoin as a medium of exchange
25:38 - Real estate as a savings vehicle
31:01 - Incentives shaping economies with bitcoin
34:19 - Bitcoin’s long-term outlook
36:34 - Integration of bitcoin and digital credit markets
40:06 - Future implications for investors
47:51 - Demand shocks and supply tightness
56:07 - Digital credit instruments and bitcoin
57:12 - Closing remarks and where to follow Rajat’s work
MSTR’s Evolution into a Bitcoin Capital Markets Machine with Brian Brookshire
2025/12/23
MSTR’s bitcoin strategy is no longer a theory. It is a proven capital markets machine reshaping how corporations accumulate bitcoin through preferred equity, digital credit, and disciplined balance-sheet design. In this episode, we examine why volatility is being monetized, why fixed income is the next frontier, and why this strategy is built to compound over decades, not quarters.
00:00 - Why MicroStrategy’s bitcoin strategy was misunderstood
02:30 - The 2024 blow-off top that ignited bitcoin treasury adoption
05:00 - Why price action is the true signal for corporate bitcoin adoption
07:45 - How the strategy model survived the bear market
09:15 - The pivot from convertible bonds to perpetual preferred equity
12:10 - Why preferred equity works better in volatile markets
15:00 - Digital credit and unlocking the $300 trillion fixed-income market
18:45 - How long the bitcoin capital-markets arbitrage can last
22:45 - Bitcoin’s end game, AI, and long-term growth limits
27:20 - What digital credit looks like in the next bitcoin bull market
31:30 - Is BTC Yield a flawed or misunderstood metric
36:45 - Digital money, stablecoins, and building on bitcoin credit
44:00 - Has Saylor actually changed the core bitcoin strategy
49:15 - OG selling, volatility suppression, and market structure
54:30 - Why holding a USD reserve strengthens the bitcoin strategy
Making Bitcoin Quantum-Resistant with Hunter Beast
2025/12/18
Bitcoin’s security assumptions are entering a new era as quantum computing moves from theory toward reality. In this episode, Hunter Beast explains which bitcoin are actually at risk, why most supply remains safe, and how Bitcoin can evolve without compromising its core principles. This is a sober, long-term discussion on cryptography, state-level threats, and why Bitcoin remains the strongest monetary system for the decades ahead.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Welcome and why quantum matters for bitcoin
04:28 - What quantum computers are and why they are different
10:13 - How quantum computers break cryptography
17:35 - Why quantum risk specifically matters for bitcoin
19:44 - Which bitcoin are actually vulnerable today
23:28 - Why Taproot changes the quantum threat model
27:26 - High-level recap of bitcoin’s quantum exposure
30:14 - NSA, NIST, and why government cryptography cannot be trusted
32:40 - Why hash-based cryptography may be bitcoin’s safest path
40:39 - Broken money, central banking, and why bitcoin matters
51:56 - What the bitcoin community should focus on next
54:43 - The “quantum discount” on bitcoin’s future value
57:39 - Why bitcoin survives even state-level adversaries
01:00:06 - Final thoughts and where to follow Hunter Beast
QE-lite Sets Up Bitcoin’s 2026 Explosion with Joe Consorti
2025/12/11
Bitcoin is entering a new phase as the Fed quietly shifts back toward balance sheet expansion and the market begins to reveal which assets can survive a decade of structural monetary distortion. In this episode Joe Consorti breaks down why liquidity is returning, why the four year cycle may be fading, and why bitcoin remains the strongest asset in a world where Main Street weakens and Wall Street inflates. We walk through the signals that matter most for 2026 and why disciplined, long horizon investors should stay focused on bitcoin's role as the apex monetary asset.
Timestamps:
00:00 – Joe Consorti returns and reflects on past bitcoin calls
01:02 – Why the Fed’s new policy feels like 2019 QE-lite
03:29 – Market reaction: stocks rip, bitcoin lags
05:17 – Trump’s likely new Fed chair and what it means for bitcoin
07:35 – Why the Fed’s “brakes” no longer work
09:37 – Fiscal dominance: Treasury and Fed become one
12:33 – The K-shaped economy explained
15:53 – Why the Fed always sacrifices Main Street for Wall Street
17:22 – Bitcoin as the escape from financial repression
21:04 – Digital credit and how bitcoin flips bond markets
25:39 – Bitcoin’s sensitivity to financial conditions
28:53 – Why liquidity expansion historically ignites bitcoin
31:39 – Credit spreads: the number one risk signal for bitcoin
33:11 – Bitcoin outlook for early 2026
39:11 – Is the four-year cycle dead or alive?
44:24 – ETFs and new buyers reshape bitcoin market structure
49:38 – Why bitcoin corrections should be shallower this cycle
52:23 – Final thoughts and what to expect in Q1
Was the Bitcoin Crash Just a Fakeout? with John Haar
2025/12/03
Bitcoin is entering a new phase where old narratives are breaking down and real macro forces are taking over. In this episode, John Haar explains why the halving cycle is losing its power, how corporate balance sheets and global credit markets are setting the stage for explosive long-term adoption, and why 2026 may redefine every prior price cycle.Timestamps:00:00 - Intro and 2025 bitcoin price action & sentiment02:05 - Why this is not a repeat of the 2021 cycle top09:44 - Are halvings still driving bitcoin or are they becoming irrelevant?12:02 - John’s base case: new ATH above $130k in 2026 and the end of the 4-year cycle meme19:15 - Bitcoin vs Mag 7: why it’s still the best debasement trade in a passive world30:24 - Why “credit came before money” makes no sense logically33:18 - MMT, government IOUs, and the push to normalize debt-based money36:27 - What drives the next wave of bitcoin adoption and who joins next40:10 - What credit looks like on a bitcoin standard vs today’s dollar debt system44:52 - How corporate debt issuance is a speculative attack on the dollar48:45 - Bitcoin treasury companies: from overheated hype to “ice cold” sentiment50:25 - Can $300T of fixed income eventually flow into bitcoin-backed digital credit?58:26 - Why strategy is stockpiling 1–2 years of USD reserves for its preferreds59:38 - Catalysts for the next bitcoin bull run into 2026
Amplified Bitcoin, STRC, and Core vs Knots with Stephan Livera
2025/11/19
In this episode, Stephan Livera breaks down how digital credit, Stretch, and amplified treasury strategies are pulling future buying pressure into the present, why Core versus Knots has become more noise than signal, and how miner incentives, spam debates, and quantum FUD fit into the bigger picture. We dig into the power law model, medium-of-exchange progress, and the mechanics behind volatility itself to understand where bitcoin is truly headed as adoption accelerates.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:32 - What digital credit actually means
02:04 - Digital credit and the speculative attack
05:16 - What amplified bitcoin really is
06:08 - Why bitcoin’s volatility feels so brutal
09:35 - Can past performance predict bitcoin’s future?
14:24 - Why the power law model matters
15:02 - Will treasury companies amplify volatility?
19:42 - Digital credit’s reflexive feedback loop
23:53 - Bitcoin Core vs. Bitcoin Knots explained
36:53 - Quantum computing: real risk or distant FUD?
43:21 - Is bitcoin finally becoming a medium of exchange?
47:54 - Are four-year cycles real or just memes?
Bitcoin, the business cycle, and the coming wave of monetary easing with Joe Consorti
2025/11/06
Bitcoin just had one of its worst days of the year, yet the story beneath the surface tells something far more important. In this episode, Joe Consorti explains why the sell-off may be a sign of strength, how long-term holders are quietly redistributing their coins, and why this cycle is unlike any before. We explore the shifting macro landscape, the rise of socialism as a symptom of broken money, and how concentrated equity markets reveal deeper structural fragility. Joe also breaks down why bitcoin tracks the business cycle more than the halving cycle and why easing financial conditions could set the stage for its next major rally.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Bitcoin’s second-worst day of 2025
02:31 - Why $95,000 is the key level to watch
10:04 - Why market sentiment feels terrible despite strong equities
14:29 - Bitcoin’s “silent IPO” and the great redistribution
19:55 - How bitcoin’s wealth inequality is actually shrinking
26:30 - Rise of socialism and the downfall of New York City
34:15 - The dangerous concentration in the S&P 500
39:10 - Nvidia’s $5 trillion milestone and what it signals
42:47 - Treasury Secretary praises bitcoin while government shuts down
50:54 - Bitcoin’s price follows the business cycle, not the halving cycle
53:37 - Trump, Powell, and the coming asset-price melt-up
Bitcoin, AI, and self-storage: building the new productive economy with Kenny Alves
2025/10/31
A new era of business is emerging, led not by Wall Street but by bitcoin. In this episode, Kenny Alves explains how his family’s self-storage company is becoming a bitcoin treasury, converting cash flow into sound money and preparing to borrow against bitcoin to expand real assets. We discuss why small business adoption is the next frontier of hyperbitcoinization, how bitcoin’s volatility is simply a measure of its growth, and why AI and robotics could accelerate productivity in the bitcoin economy. Kenny reveals how pairing bitcoin with cash-generating businesses could create an unstoppable engine of compounding wealth.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro: how a small business merged with bitcoin
1:10 - Turning self storage into a bitcoin treasury
2:45 - Why banks are killing safe deposit boxes
5:35 - Refinancing real estate with bitcoin loans
7:10 - The two models of bitcoin treasury companies
10:00 - Using bitcoin as productive collateral
12:16 - Why bitcoin treasury companies will dominate every industry
14:10 - Bitcoin as pristine collateral for a new credit system
19:15 - Why lenders still charge 10% on bitcoin loans
21:00 - The quiet bitcoin shift happening in Washington
23:00 - How small businesses can spark mass bitcoin adoption
27:00 - Which companies should adopt a bitcoin treasury first
31:00 - Why bitcoin’s volatility is just rapid growth
35:00 - Nvidia hits $5T: what it means for bitcoin
36:00 - How AI is reshaping business and productivity
39:00 - The coming wave of humanoid robots
44:40 - The long-term vision: bitcoin, AI, and self storage
What does the world look like at $10,000,000 BTC? with Fred Krueger
2025/10/21
What if bitcoin replaced the foundation of global money? In this episode, Fred Krueger explains what a $10 million bitcoin world could look like, why traditional assets may underperform under a hard-money system, and how AI and automation could reshape society in the process. We examine the timeline for bitcoin’s full monetization, how deflation can drive innovation instead of destruction, and why the 60/40 portfolio no longer works. Fred shares his framework for applying the Kelly criteria, the importance of ETFs in accelerating adoption, and how this transition could spark the greatest wealth transfer in history.
Timestamps:
00:00 – Intro and welcome to The Mustard Seed Podcast
00:37 – What a $10 million bitcoin world could look like
02:10 – Why bitcoin and the dollar will likely coexist
06:54 – Why real estate and stocks could underperform in the bitcoin era
09:02 – Why markets haven’t front-run $10 million bitcoin yet
16:59 – Can a deflationary money like bitcoin support growth?
20:42 – Life and credit in a hard-money system
26:56 – Can we reach $10 million bitcoin without a crisis?
33:01 – AI and automation meet bitcoin: a new society emerges
37:24 – Why the 60/40 portfolio is broken in the bitcoin era
42:39 – How yield fits in retirement portfolios
44:39 – Allocating 70–75% to bitcoin: Fred’s case for the Kelly criteria
45:20 – Will bitcoin wealth concentrate or distribute over time?
48:33 – The ETF wave and the next class of bitcoin investors
53:29 – Would Fred Krueger ever sell bitcoin to buy stocks?
58:01 – The 70/30 portfolio: bitcoin plus passion projects
01:03:00 – How bitcoin and AI together will create mass abundance
01:08:47 – Why Fred’s book passed Ray Dalio on Amazon
Gold is screaming, so why isn’t bitcoin? with Joe Consorti
2025/10/17
Is the global monetary system is cracking? In this episode, Joe Consorti explains why gold’s record-breaking surge is a warning signal, how sovereigns are accelerating a shift in global finance, and why bitcoin may soon explode after months of consolidation. We cover the Fed’s race to respond faster to every crisis, what renewed liquidity means for risk assets, and how monetary easing could fuel the next leg of bitcoin adoption. Joe also breaks down Strategy’s STRC and why digital credit could redefine yield as capital moves from fiat to bitcoin-based instruments.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro and welcome to The Mustard Seed Podcast
00:35 - Why gold is up 62% in 2025
03:18 - The global monetary reordering underway
06:14 - Why bitcoin can still move violently higher
11:13 - Why bitcoin beats gold as a store of value
13:21 - How banks now view bitcoin as part of the gold trade
16:20 - Why gold is outperforming bitcoin this year
20:35 - How the Fed, shutdowns, and tariffs weigh on bitcoin
24:05 - Why the Fed’s crisis response time keeps accelerating
29:17 - Why the Fed can’t allow a protracted bear market
35:16 - Comparing 2021’s tightening to today’s easing cycle
40:10 - What happens when liquidity returns to markets
44:58 - Introducing digital credit and MicroStrategy’s STRC
48:39 - Why STRC could attract yield-hungry investors
52:09 - Why bitcoin’s next breakout could be explosive
54:29 - Final thoughts and closing advice from Joe Consorti
Bitcoin and AI will define the next century with Christian Catalini from Lightspark
2025/10/08
Bitcoin is becoming the foundation of a new financial and technological order. In this episode, Christian Catalini shares why open networks must win over corporate blockchains, how the Lightning Network and Spark are unlocking true global payments, and what lessons he learned building Libra inside Facebook. We explore the limits of stablecoins, the risks of leverage, and why proof of work may be humanity’s greatest defense in a world racing toward automation.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Welcome and guest intro
00:20 - The MIT bitcoin experiment
02:09 - Why Christian is a bitcoin pragmatist
02:30 - Linux analogy for bitcoin
04:11 - Making Lightning Network enterprise grade
05:37 - Before Lightspark: MIT professor to fintech researcher
08:12 - Inside Project Libra
10:04 - Building on permissionless open networks
11:10 - When block subsidies fall to zero
15:06 - How AI reshapes work and value
17:31 - Why AI agents should not hold wallets
18:40 - Micropayments for agents with Lightning
20:29 - Are we plateauing or accelerating in AI
22:49 - Redefining capitalism for the AI era
24:18 - The real AI risk: unknown preferences
26:51 - bitcoin and money in an automated world
28:24 - Proof of work as time and energy
31:32 - Is AI bigger than bitcoin
32:27 - The current state of the Lightning Network
44:24 - Thoughts on Saylor’s preferred equity
47:40 - Closing call to builders to choose open networks
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Joe B34 2025/07/11
Excellent Podcast
The Mustard Seed podcast is an absolute gem for anyone interested in bitcoin and long-term, contrarian thinking! The host’s background in technology c...
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This is the way! Looking forward to hearing the latest insights from Joe and his community of thought leaders!
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