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16 episodes
Language
English
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Chain Social
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No
Date created
2026/05/29
Latest episode
2026/10/24
Average duration
30 min.
Release period
9 days

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The marketing podcast that gives you an unfair advantage. The Chain Pod is hosted by the team behind Australia's leading all-female agency, Chain Social. Built for business owners and marketers who want what's working, not what's trending. Presented by CEO, Shelby Van Zwol and Digital Director, Adele Elliott, every episode is education-driven and packed with tangible takeaways - going deep with platform experts, brand founders, and industry leaders on the wins worth stealing and the misses worth learning from. These are the most honest marketing conversations happening in this country, and the missing link in your strategy.

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We Spent A Week in the US & Their Consumers Behave Very Differently
2026/10/24
The final instalment of our NYC takeover, and this one's the absolute tea. β˜• After a week in New York, Adele and Shelby share the culture shock: ads that feel like satire, 90-day agency contracts, and a US agency that puts around 80% of client effort into affiliate marketing and treats Meta as a middle- and bottom-of-funnel channel only. They also cover why Australia doesn't have TikTok Shop yet, what one Instagram story taught Shelby about affiliate links and why it's time for Aussie brands to be early adopters. 🀎 That's a wrap on our NYC takeover. Thanks for coming along for the ride. Stay tuned, because there's a top-secret idea in the works, and you'll hear about it soon. 🀎 If you enjoyed the series, we’d be so grateful if you hit follow and left a review. It helps more Aussie brands and agencies find us so we can continue sharing our knowledge with you! πŸ’Œ Links & resources: 30% OFF THE META ADS MASTERCLASS. Watch Chain’s 26x SOLD-OUT Meta Ads Masterclass On-Demand, 30% off with code: BFCM30 https://www.chainacademy.com.au/offers/QxW6Eo8j/checkout Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: https://chainsocial.com.au/chain-pod/ Email: [email protected] Training: www.chainacademy.com.au
Will AI Replace Your Agency? What We Learned in New York
2026/10/17
Welcome to episode two of our New York City takeover, recorded straight from the Meta Agency Summit. πŸ—½ Adele and Shelby sat in a room full of agencies and walked out more optimistic than they walked in. They cover the move from media buyer to orchestrator, why consulting beats building your own tech, why agencies will get leaner and why human messiness is about to become your biggest advantage. If you're an agency owner, a freelancer or a brand working with one, this one's for you. Don't be scared of change. 🀎 Next up is our final NYC episode: a quick one on everything we saw and learned about how Americans shop and consume. πŸ’Œ Links & resources: 30% OFF THE META ADS MASTERCLASS. Watch Chain’s 26x SOLD-OUT Meta Ads Masterclass On-Demand, 30% off with code: BFCM30 https://www.chainacademy.com.au/offers/QxW6Eo8j/checkout Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: https://chainsocial.com.au/chain-pod/ Email: [email protected] Training: www.chainacademy.com.au
Spilling the Tea on the NYC Meta Agency Summit
2026/10/10
Welcome to our NYC mini series πŸ—½πŸ€Ž Meta invited Chain to New York for its Agency Summit, and we were one of only three Australian agencies there. The day after, Shelby and Adele sat down in an iconic New York studio to tell you everything while it was still fresh: the new features, the big themes and what the next 6–12 months look like for anyone running ads. In this episode: πŸ’« Meta Ads Creative Studio: deeper creative analysis, performance by demographic, and industry benchmarking πŸ’« Optimising for margin, lifetime value and profit, not just CPA πŸ’« Why your signal back to Meta matters more than ever (and how to fix it if you're a service business) πŸ’« Live shopping coming to Instagram, and running your lives as ads πŸ’« Incremental vs standard attribution, explained simply πŸ’« Reviews and sentiment showing up in ads, and why community-led brands will win πŸ’« The Meta MCP, AI and the "orchestration era," and why your media buyer is now the coach πŸ’« What US agencies told us over dinner (spoiler: it blew our minds)Stay tuned for Part Two! πŸ’Œ Links & resources: 30% OFF THE META ADS MASTERCLASS. Watch Chain’s 26x SOLD-OUT Meta Ads Masterclass On-Demand, 30% off with code: BFCM30 https://www.chainacademy.com.au/offers/QxW6Eo8j/checkout Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: https://chainsocial.com.au/chain-pod/ Email: [email protected] Training: www.chainacademy.com.au
The Black Friday Hangover: How to Rebuild Your Funnel Before Christmas (and Survive January)
2026/10/03
If they didn't buy during your November sale, why would they buy the week after at full price? In our final Black Friday episode, Adele and Shelby unpack the post-sale hangover, and what to do when sales fall off a cliff after BFCM. In this episode: Why a new product drop is the best cure for the post-sale slump Treating early December as a rebuild: excluding November visitors and shifting budget to add-to-cart and checkout campaigns Gifting angles and shipping cut-off urgency across email, abandoned carts and your site Free express upgrades and gift card offers that bring customers back in January Why January is the "graveyard month", and why cheap ad costs make it the perfect time to build audiences That's a wrap on our Black Friday series. Next up: Our exclusive NYC Takeover, three-part series. πŸ’Œ Links & resources: 30% OFF THE META ADS MASTERCLASS. Watch Chain’s 26x SOLD-OUT Meta Ads Masterclass On-Demand, 30% off with code: BFCM30 https://www.chainacademy.com.au/offers/QxW6Eo8j/checkout Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: ⁠⁠www.chainsocial.com.au⁠/chain-pod Email: [email protected] Training: www.chainacademy.com.au
Don't Trade Your Brand for a Quick Sale: Black Friday Creative That Actually Stands Out
2026/09/27
Creative is more than half the outcome on Meta, and in November every feed looks the same. Adele runs through the Black Friday creative types that keep winning: simple offer statics with your logo on them (yes, your logo), cart screenshots showing the savings, text message exchanges, founder and employee content, pack an order with me, and creator content like unboxings, try-ons and demos. Meta is pushing paid partnership ads harder than ever, so if they're not in your mix, you'll fall behind. We also get into refreshing last year's winners with a sale banner or a green screen founder callout, why only 1 in 10 creatives will be a winner, and why 30% of your creative should be outside the box. Plus scroll-stopping hooks that still fit your brand, sale-specific brand kits, and why urgency matters now that shoppers are holding out for the final offer. Our biggest rule: don't cheapen what you've built for a short-term win. No more Microsoft Paint scribble ads, unless that's genuinely your brand. πŸ’Œ: Links & resources πŸ”— Want this taught properly, in a room, with your own account open? Final Meta Masterclass of the year is almost sold out for Brisbane: ⁠JOIN HERE⁠ https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/1989065789320?aff=oddtdtcreator Connect With Us: Instagram: ⁠@chainsocial⁠ Instagram: ⁠@chainpod⁠ Web: ⁠www.chainsocial.com.au⁠ Training: ⁠www.chainacademy.com.au
Don't Get Discovered in November: Your BFCM Runway, Month by Month
2026/09/19
If your Black Friday strategy starts in November, you're already behind. Adele breaks down the runway that actually decides your sale. September is for testing creative motivators, targeting, campaign types and bidding strategies. October is for building a high-quality audience while shoppers hold out, and November is your Super Bowl, where you stop testing and scale. We get into why you need to relax your efficiencies across September and October, why your conversion rate will dip in October and why that's normal, and swapping purchase objectives for add to cart to get up to four times the traffic for the same budget. Adele also shares her biggest BFCM tip: launching VIP early access to your email list before going out on Meta, so you're not paying for customers who would have bought anyway. Plus reminder ads, keeping your BAU campaigns simmering, and how we scale with a cost per result bid strategy (not one for beginners). Next up: Black Friday creative. Start early, or pay for it later. πŸ’Œ: Links & resources πŸ”— Want this taught properly, in a room, with your own account open? Final Meta Masterclass of the year is almost sold out for Brisbane: ⁠JOIN HERE⁠ https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/1989065789320?aff=oddtdtcreator Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: www.chainsocial.com.au Training: www.chainacademy.com.au
Share of Wallet: Building a BFCM Offer Worth Holding Out For
2026/09/12
Episode ten and we're going straight to the thing that decides your November β€” the offer. Adele spitfires every offer type we've seen work (and flop) across our client base: sitewide percentages, gift with purchase, spend and save, BOGO, the hidden collection play, and why free shipping alone will get you unsubscribed. We get into share of wallet and why shoppers pre-plan their November spend, whether it's even worth partaking if you can't beat 10%, auto-applied discounts vs codes, using subscriptions to rescue an expensive November CPA, and the tip we run for every client β€” testing your offer on a small Klaviyo segment in October so you're not guessing on Black Friday. First of four from the Meta Marketing Summit run. Keep your offer simple, or lose. πŸ’Œ: Links & resources πŸ”— Want this taught properly, in a room, with your own account open? Final Meta Masterclass of the year is almost sold out for Brisbane: ⁠JOIN HERE⁠ Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: ⁠⁠www.chainsocial.com.au⁠⁠ Training: ⁠⁠www.chainacademy.com.au
Creative Velocity: What to Load Into Meta Before Peak Season
2026/08/29
So with peak season coming, Adele's in the hot seat for a mini episode. We reveal the winning creative on Meta, how many new ads you actually need each week, the 70/20/20 split and how to preheat creative so you're not gambling in your purchase campaigns come Black Friday. Short, sharp and straight into the nitty gritty so you can be prepared for a record-breaking BFCM this year. πŸ’Œ: Links & resources πŸ”— The Motion creative benchmark report β€” the table we referenced, broken down by industry and spend, with how many new creatives you should be testing each week: DOWNLOADπŸ”— Want this taught properly, in a room, with your own account open? Final Meta Masterclass of the year is almost sold out for Brisbane: JOIN HERE Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: ⁠www.chainsocial.com.au⁠ Training: ⁠www.chainacademy.com.au
BFCM Won't Fix Your Cash Flow: Money Talk with Steff Anderson
2026/08/24
We sat down with Steff Anderson of Pinnacle Road, Chain Social's accountant of ten years, and the woman we send our clients to when they need someone realistic in the room. 🀎 This one's for every e-comm founder heading into BFCM on vibes. Steff joins Shelby and Adele to pull apart the numbers behind the biggest sales period of the year. What your margin actually needs to be before you can discount, why in-platform ROAS isn't telling you the truth and the bills that land in your inbox long after the sale ends. Warning: you may want a spreadsheet open. In this episode: πŸ’Έ Why MER beats in-platform ROAS as a measure of business health πŸ’Έ The 80% margin benchmark, why it's near impossible to move once you've set your RRP, and what wholesale really takes πŸ’Έ Where shipping actually sits in your numbers (and why minimum spend thresholds are non-negotiable on lower-priced products) πŸ’Έ The case for treating ad spend as a fixed cost, not a variable one πŸ’Έ Steff's red flag: never let 50% of every dollar go out the door on ads in your first six months πŸ’Έ Why 70% margins and 40% off sitewide don't mix and what a discount does to your perceived value forever πŸ’Έ If you can't go big at BFCM, don't go. The birthday sale and January alternatives our clients run instead πŸ’Έ The post-BFCM bill nobody forecasts: BAS, quarterly GST landing end of Feb, replenishment stock, returns, peak pick-and-pack, packaging πŸ’Έ Why Steff would talk you out of a Shopify loan almost every time πŸ’Έ Cash flow buckets, 12–16 week forecasting, and why conservative always wins πŸ’Έ What Steff's most successful e-comm clients have in common πŸ’Έ How to tell if your accountant actually understands e-comm and the first question to ask them Plus: build awareness in September and October so you're not being discovered for the first time on November 1st, and the very real difference between a healthy P&L and cash in the bank. Links πŸ”— Steff's BFCM profit impact calculator https://pinnacleroad.com.au/free-bfcm-margin-worksheet/Β  πŸ”— Pinnacle Road β€” pinnacleroad.com.au Steff is Melbourne-based and works with brands Australia-wide. One-off financial health checks available. Loved this episode? Send it to the founder friend who's about to go 40% off sitewide 🀎 Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: www.chainsocial.com.au Training: www.chainacademy.com.au
Ep. 7 BFCM Starts in August: Email Tips For Your Biggest Peak Season
2026/08/15
This week, Adele is joined by Amelia (aka Mims) Chain's Email & CRM weapon and the woman behind the email ecosystems doing 30%+ of revenue for our clients. She's across flows, segmentation, deliverability, loyalty, the lot. And she's here to kick off our BFCM series. Because here's the thing: no one is discovering your brand in November. It's too loud, it's too expensive and every other brand is shouting at the same inbox. The customers who buy from you during BFCM are the ones you nurture between now and then - which makes August, September and October crunch time. In this episode: πŸ’Œ The health check every ecom brand should be running right now πŸ’Œ The flows most brands never build (and the revenue sitting in them) πŸ’Œ Send time tips πŸ’Œ The case for hype and the one segment that saves your inbox πŸ’Œ Adele's non-negotiable rule for lead gen :eyes: πŸ’Œ How to avoid the December hangover Plus we reveal high-converting subject lines you can steal and the Win Your Cart tactic that works for our clients year, after year. Open your notes app. You're going to want to lock in for this one. Links & mentions πŸ”— ✨ Email Marketing Masterclass with Amelia and Adele 28 September, Mornington HQ. Small, intimate and in our stunning new space. JOIN WAITLIST HERE ✨ The Email Subject Line Swipe File - 200 Subject Lines you can steal immediately DOWNLOAD HERE Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: www.chainsocial.com.au Training: www.chainacademy.com.au
Ep. 6 The Meta Cheat Sheet for Startups with Aimee Smart
2026/08/08
Adele has pulled in the one person who knows her brain better than anyone: Chain's Digital Team Lead, Aimee Smart. Eight years working side by side and still on the tools for six clients. If you want to know what's actually working in real Meta accounts right now, this is your girl. We unpack what Aimee is seeing convert this week, plus a full launch strategy for a hypothetical ecomm startup with 3k a month to play with. The Meta Cheat Sheet: πŸ“£ Only running purchase campaigns is the biggest mistake in most accounts (most expensive objective, almost guaranteed to hit the ceiling). πŸ“£ Cold add to cart: a quarter of the price of purchase. Exclude everything, switch to manual targeting, watch it feed your ASC. πŸ“£ The jetlag idea that worked: retargeting optimised for add to cart, not purchase. Your ROAS will thank us later. πŸ“£ Creative is more than 50% of the result. Partnership ads taking up 20–30% of your account, and founder content is non-negotiable (one client tripled her business). πŸ“£ Meta AI enhancements: relevant comments IN, enhanced CTA love-hate (it once added a 33% off offer nobody approved). πŸ“£ Pre-launch is lead gen, not sales. Skip the win comp, build a waitlist, use conditional filtering. πŸ“£ Post-launch go full funnel: View Content as a sales campaign, never traffic. πŸ“£ Catalogue ads: IN for fashion and homewares, OUT for cold skincare audiences. Nobody's buying a photo of a moisturiser tub. πŸ“£ TikTok for cheap CPMs and discoverability, Meta to retarget. That's when both start working together. ✨ Got a Meta SOS? Adele takes questions on Instagram (@adswithadele). Prefer to learn Meta Ads in-person? Join us for our FINAL Meta Ads Masterclass of 2026 in Brisbane this September. Secure your seat 🎟️ HERE.
Ep 5. How Nala Built A Content System To Successfully Scale On Meta
2026/07/25
Adele is joined in the studio by Phil De Winter, co-founder of Aussie intimates brand Nala. Together, they unpack how Nala scaled from $3k a month on Meta to a multi-million dollar e-commerce powerhouse, built an unstoppable in-house content machine, and navigated the wild ups and downs of performance marketing. If you're looking to scale an e-commerce brand on Meta without burning through cash or putting all your eggs in one basket, this is your blueprint. Plus the night Meta glitched and spent $20k in an hour, why Meta still holds brands by the balls over TikTok, and how consumer economic sentiment impacts your CPMs. RESOURCES πŸ”— Follow Adele on Instagram: @adswithadele - tips, plus "SOS Sundays" for your questions. Check out Nala at wearnala.com or @wear_nala and discover your boobs new besties Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: https://www.chainsocial.com.au Training: https://www.chainacademy.com.au
Ep 4. Meta Ads What's In / What's Out Right Now - Rapid Fire with Adele Elliott
2026/07/11
Adele is in the hot seat. Shelby fires off the Meta tactics brands are still clinging to, and Adele calls each one IN or OUT for 2026, with the why behind every verdict. No digressing, straight into the good stuff. If you run Meta ads (or pay someone who does), this is your cheat sheet for what is actually working right now. The scorecard: πŸ’Œ Hundreds of campaigns: OUT - consolidate. One purchase campaign, assets split with a strategy. πŸ’Œ Ad sets per product: IN when price points and audiences genuinely differ. πŸ’Œ Advantage+ catalogue shopping: IN, and huge for 2026. πŸ’Œ Traffic campaigns: OUT - too bot-heavy. Swap to a sales campaign optimised for View Content. πŸ’Œ Lookalike audiences: mostly OUT - Advantage+ already finds your buyers. Keep them for niche segments. πŸ’Œ Campaign vs ad set budget: depends how much control you need. πŸ’Œ Harsh exclusions on purchase campaigns: OUT - you are paying purchase prices to find cold traffic. πŸ’Œ Only running purchase campaigns: OUT - you will hit a scaling ceiling. πŸ’Œ Persona targeting: IN - talk to everyone and you talk to no one. Plus the netball-team theory of creative, and the jewellery brand that tripled ROAS by sharpening its angles. ✨ πŸ“£ Got a Meta SOS? Adele takes questions on Instagram (@adswithadele). 00:00 Adele in the hot seat: Meta In or Out 00:40 Hundreds of campaigns: OUT (consolidate) 02:40 Ad sets per product: IN (when it makes sense) 03:25 Advantage+ catalogue shopping: IN 04:00 Traffic campaigns: OUT (and what to run instead) 05:50 Lookalike audiences: mostly OUT 07:40 Campaign vs ad set budget: it depends 09:05 Harsh exclusions on purchase campaigns: OUT 11:25 The netball-team theory of creative 13:15 Only running purchase campaigns: OUT 16:25 How to actually scale beyond purchase 17:10 Persona targeting: IN 18:15 Case study: tripling ROAS with sharper angles 20:20 Wrap up + where to find Adele RESOURCES πŸ”— Follow Adele on Instagram: @adswithadele - tips, plus "SOS Sundays" for your questions. Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: https://www.chainsocial.com.au Training: https://www.chainacademy.com.au
Ep 3. AI Decoded for Brands & Marketers, Without the Overwhelm with Daniela Valencia
2026/06/28
Our very first guest, and who better than an AI consultant? Shelby and Adele sit down with Daniela Valencia to make AI feel less overwhelming and a lot more useful for marketers, agencies and brand founders. The big reframe: AI is not here to replace your team, it is here to enhance it. Speed up the admin, surface the data insights, and free your humans to do the thinking only humans can do. We get properly tangible: where to actually start, why Claude is our pick for agencies and founders, building your "business OS", turning your process into a reusable skill, and the day-to-day use cases saving us hours every week. πŸ’Œ Start by brain-dumping your role and business into Claude so it has real context. πŸ’Œ MD (markdown) files are the universal language for AI tools, and lighter on tokens. πŸ’Œ Decide what should stay human (selling, your brand soul) before you automate anything. πŸ’Œ Get on top of AI now, or risk being out-paced by an AI-native marketer. πŸ’Œ Agentic commerce is coming - up to 70% of ecomm traffic could be AI agents by 2027. πŸ’Œ Make your site AI-ready: clean product data, a crawlable site, and an llms.txt file. Performance meets aesthetics, even in the age of AI. ✨ 00:00 Welcome back + our first ever guest 01:30 Why AI, why now 03:30 Meet Daniela Valencia, AI consultant 06:30 Feeling overwhelmed? Where to actually start 07:10 Why Claude for agencies and founders 08:30 Build your "business OS" and dump your context 09:30 Voice tools and recording calls (the legal bit) 11:50 Skills: turn your process into a reusable tool 13:10 MD files, your universal AI language 17:50 Critical thinking and the AI-native marketer 21:00 Bring your own AI agent: the new IP question 26:40 Team vs personal accounts 30:50 Use case: your weekly platform brief, straight to Slack 32:30 Email superpowers: sentiment + finding old threads 36:10 Tokens, the AI race and IPO hype 40:20 Staying safe: never hand over card or private details 41:15 Agentic commerce: 50-70% of purchases by 2027 44:45 Get AI-ready: crawlable sites and llms.txt 47:45 AI visibility + the blog/SEO resurgence 50:20 Part two: our live AI Masterclass 52:15 Where to find Daniela RESOURCES πŸ”— AI Masterclass with Daniela - Melbourne, tickets below. Code CHAINPOD15 for 15% off. https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/ai-for-ecommerce-the-masterclass-tickets-1992404943821 πŸ”— Find Daniela on Instagram: @danielavalencia.aiΒ  πŸ”— Tools mentioned: Claude desktop app, Gemini, Wispr Flow, Perplexity, ChatGPT, Grok. Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: www.chainsocial.com.au Training: www.chainacademy.com.au
Ep 2. The Conversion Equation Every E-Com Brand Needs Before Spending on Ads with Shelby Van Zwol
2026/06/26
You can't advertise your way out of weak foundations. Period. In this (not-so-short) episode, Shelby and Adele get into the nitty gritty of what every e-commerce brand needs BEFORE you pour budget into paid. It all comes down to one equation: Revenue = Average Order Value Γ— Conversion Rate Γ— Traffic. Nail those three numbers and you can reverse-engineer almost any revenue goal. We unpack each one - why your product page (not your home page) does the heavy lifting, the website rebuild that took one skincare brand from a 1.5% to a 5.5% conversion rate, why not all traffic is created equal, and how AOV and margin quietly make or break your ads. πŸ’Œ Foundations before ad spend - "ads don't work for me" almost always means something upstream is broken. πŸ’Œ Your product page is the hero, and it has to be built for mobile. πŸ’Œ A 0.5% lift in conversion is game-changing revenue. πŸ’Œ Watch your AOV & margin - a $15–$100 basket is brutal for paid. πŸ’Œ Free shipping converts (~70% of Aussie shoppers abandon over shipping). πŸ’Œ Performance AND aesthetics - we'll never run an ugly ad. ✨ Your homework: work out your conversion rate, AOV and traffic. Times them together for your monthly revenue - then you'll know exactly which lever to pull first. πŸ“£ Want our free CRO checklist + budget calculator? DM us "CONVERSION" on Instagram @chainpod. 00:00 - Welcome back to Chain Pod 🀎 01:50 - You can't advertise on weak foundations 03:15 - The equation: AOV Γ— Conversion Rate Γ— Traffic 05:35 - Conversion rate, explained 06:01 - Your website is a transactional pathway, not just a pretty face 06:40 - Quick wins: announcement banner, above-the-fold, CTAs 07:51 - Stop designing for desktop - shop on mobile 08:12 - Why the product page beats the home page 09:04 - Case study: a skincare site from 1.5% β†’ 5.5% 13:54 - Test slow: change 1–2 things at a time 14:30 - Traffic quality vs quantity (& the 16 touchpoints Aussies need) 15:35 - Benchmark by category: $800 LED mask vs $60 replenishable 18:00 - Bot traffic & moving away from landing page views 19:30- Prediction: AI shopping agents & the checkout as the new product page 24:30 - Reverse-engineering your revenue goal 25:45 - AOV & margin: why a small basket hurts on paid 26:50 - Free shipping & the $9.95 that loses the sale 29:15 - Why we'll never run an ugly ad 30:09 - Wrap up + your homework RESOURCES πŸ”— Free CRO checklist/spreadsheet - DM "CONVERSION" over at @chainpod πŸ”— Budget calculator - coming in a future episode. πŸ”— Reverse-engineer your revenue with AI - tell Claude your goal, conversion rate, AOV & traffic, and ask which lever to pull first. Coming up on Episode 3: a full AI deep dive for marketers! Connect With Us: Instagram: @chainsocial Instagram: @chainpod Web: https://chainsocial.com.au Web: http://www.chainacademy.com.au/ podscan_i9UIZSjOjKyrZBXm57IetTwiGvHxnj5l

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