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Sara welcomes the great and wonderful Tory, best known for their reliably insightful analysis of fanfiction on the Retro Fanfic Retrospective podcast (found wherever you get your podcasts!) Tory shares their lifelong love affair with the legendary band U2, and their knowledge of the band’s history and music. Tory also digs into the amazing feat of how the band’s joyful, sublime chemistry seeps into the very music they produce, sustaining fruitful artistry for nearly fifty years.  Other topics include: Irish history, and the Christianity of U2, along with comparisons with Oasis. We also talk Bedge and RPF! And we dig into a mini-RFR discussion of likeamadonna’s Bono/Edge fanfiction within a fanfiction, “Fictitious Characters”.  Contact and Credits: Intro Theme: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Clip used - Noel Gallagher on The Late Late Show | RTÉ One  Outro clip - “Beautiful Day” by U2, from the album ‘All That You Can't Leave Behind’ - pulled from Youtube licensed via UMG (on behalf of Universal-Island Records Ltd. ℗ An Island Records recording; ℗ 2000 Island Records Limited Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected]    Time caps: 00:00 - Introduction 06:03 - Start of episode 16:02 - Tory’s music background 24:25 - U2 in bloom right now! 35:06 - A little Irish history  45:19 - The Troubles, a climate for the formation of U2 56:03 - U2’s Bigness, America, and ‘What is Bono??’  01:02:45 - Bono’s useful celebrity, vs individualism of Oasis. Or, “do-gooders” vs “do-badders” 01:08:22 - Bono the Energizer Bunny, and U2 in Vegas 01:13:07 - The other members of U2 (Larry, The Edge, and Adam) 01:20:35 - Christianity and U2 01:31:45 - Religion, U2 vs. Oasis 01:34:50 - Religious imagery in the Achtung Baby-era, and Bono’s ‘characters’ 01:41:42 - U2 fanfiction and RPF fandom 01:51:20 - “Fictitious Characters”, by likeamadonna 02:02:26 - Fitting Ali into the Bono/Edge 02:07:20 - Start of Rapid Fire! (which lasts nearly an hour, lol) 02:12:27 - Tory’s Top 5 U2 Tracks   Episode References U2 Fanfiction.com (Tory mentions they used to read fanfiction from this now defunct archive; link via Wayback Machine)  The Retro Fanfic Retrospective podcast (Podbean, you can also search for it on Spotify or Apple Podcasts) Link - Band bio, from threechordsandthetruth.net great U2 overview and biography U2: The Origins Of The Biggest Band Of The Early 2000s a decent youtube documentary on U2 A live performance of ‘Until The End Of The World’ from ‘Achtung Baby’, filmed during the US leg of the Zoo TV tour in 1992. Kiss for the camera at 2m34s

Summary: Sara takes (kind of sort of) a break from talking fanfic and bandfic to talk about a different form of storytelling– music, and writing about music! shineswithyou is a familiar face around Oasis and U2 tumblr, but what you might NOT know is that she has recently embarked on a writing journey of her own, with a substack blog about music and its place as the soundtrack of her own life. Sara and shines talk about her blog, and the difficulty of “writing words about sounds”; how music is a language in and of itself capable of telling its own (and our own) stories. Of COURSE we loop it back around to fanfiction and RPF (or, ‘real person fanfiction’), and how bandfic is, at its core, a pure form of love for the musical artist. Other talking points include: how awesome Bono is, and how we wish we could have been at Slane Castle in 2001; the perennial dysfunction of the Gallagher brothers; and the dichotomy of the U2 and Oasis fandoms. Contact and Credits: Theme Music: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Clips from "Pop Muzik" by M (℗ 1979 Robin Scott Limited) and "Marquee Moon" by Television (℗ 1977 Elektra/Asylum) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected]    Time caps: 00:00 - Introduction 14:52 - Interview start 23:07 - Music memories and growing up 30:40 - Tumblr and bandom 34:27 - the pf+hb blog! 39:32 - Blog entry 1  44:40 - Tom Verlaine and Television 46:50 - Excerpt of blog entry 4 48:56 - shines’ music writing style and influences, and the difficulties of writing about music 57:15 - Art in the time of Covid and intentional listening 01:10:56 - More on Television’s style and ‘Marquee Moon’ 01:22:22 - CBGB’s and ‘the scene’ 01:28:29 - Music mags! 01:32:05 - Speaking of U2… 01:36:55 - The dichotomy of the U2 fandom vs Oasis fandom 01:43:01 - Rapid Fire Questions!   Episode References “Pf+Hb” shineswithyou’s substack blog  Shineswithyou on Tumblr  Music vid for The Stone Roses’ “She Bangs the Drums” (title inspiration for the blog) M - Pop Muzik (Official Video) (Youtube)  Book - "Heartbeat" by Sharon Creech (Goodreads) - a children’s coming-of-age story told in free verse Music writing rec - Words by Liz Barker - Website of professional music writer and blogger Liz Barker Music writing rec - "Strawberry Fields Whatever" - Music blog by Liz Barker and Laura Jane Faulds and illustrated by Jen May   Music writing rec - Liz Barker's tinyletter and an excerpt from her novel  Blog rec - Hanif Kureishi’s substack and a piece he wrote which shines recommends  Album - Nirvana MTV Unplugged (Spotify) Album - The Velvet Underground & Nico (Spotify) Trouser Press - “The biblio of alternative rock” "The Too-Muchness of Bono" by David Brooks for the Atlantic Achtoon Baby - U2 music blog project by Kelly and PJ Fic mentioned - "The Passing of Peggy Gallagher" by Jeevey    Fic mentioned - “Stop the Clocks” by savageandwise  Youtube Clip from “My Beautiful Laundrette” (1985, starring Gordon Warnecke and Daniel-Day Lewis, screenplay by Hanif Kureshi. You can stream it on HBOMax) Film Trailer for “CBGB” (2013) starring Alan Rickman Book - Meet Me in the Bathroom: Rebirth and Rock and Roll in New York City 2001-2011 (Goodreads) Documentary - Meet Me In The Bathroom (2022) - Youtube trailer stream on Paramount+ or rent on Amazon Prime Video  Documentary - "Gimme Shelter" (1970) - “A harrowing documentary of the Stones' 1969 tour, with much of the focus on the tragic concert at Altamont.” Music Video - “Dark Sunglasses” a single off of Chrissie Hynde’s 2014 album ‘Stockholm’. The album doesn’t appear to be on streaming platforms. Youtube - Where The Streets Have No Name (Live From Slane Castle, Ireland (2001) (you can see the heart-shaped stage that shines mentions really well at about 58 seconds!) Shines’ Desert Island Discs: “Achtung Baby” by U2 (but on another day

Summary: Sara sits down with the amazing, sublime, talented Jeevey, a legend in the Oasis RPF and Gcest world. Jeevey talks about the challenges of finding time to express yourself amid real life responsibilities; telling the truth through amateur writing; the joys of RPF and her start in the U2 fandom; rejecting the shame of writing taboo topics, and why she likes writing about interesting, compelling characters versus ‘unproblematic’ more acceptable figures (BORING!) Jeevey is also a fandom expert on Noel Gallagher’s pre-Oasis career as a roadie for the Inspiral Carpets, and his friendship (ahem) relationship, with the now legendary Mancunian Clint Boon. Jeevey chronicles a Clint/Noel romance in her beautiful ongoing work, “Transistor”.   We also mention Jeevey’s recent trip to the UK to see both Gallagher brothers in concert; a highlight of which was Jeevey’s front row view of High Flying Birds’ guitarist Gem Archer’s rather, er, overwhelming and impressive physical presents. PRESENCE, I mean!   Yes, Sara brings you another 3 hour episode, but c’mon. You know. What else you doin’ today, rasta?! Don’t Go Away, Stand By Me! Some Might Say that we’re gonna Live Forever through our incestuous bandfic obsession! D’You Know What I Mean?   Time Caps 0m - Introduction 12:23 - Interview starts. Jeevey talks early writing and how she got into the RPF fandoms. 22:00 - Jeevey on how listening to Noel’s solo material funneled her into the Oasis fic and gcest fandoms. Baby’s first gcest fic!  32:00 - “I don’t want to bring up the Loch Lomond kiss already, but…” aka “collective mainstream fan cognitive dissonance” aka “WOW just LOOK AT THAT SETLIST!” 37:00 - Sara asks Jeevey if she has a favorite brother to write. Complicated!Noel and Scary!Liam  49:22 - “The Passing of Peggy Gallagher” 57:45 - “Broken Arrow River” 1:39:17 - Let’s talk about Clint Boon! And getting into “Transistor” 1:54:35 - Digging more into “Transistor” 2:08:19 - Exploring and researching LGBTQ culture and subcultures in the UK in the 1980s (Lesbians, punks, Section 28, the AIDS crisis, etc) 2:32:40 - Rapid Fire Questions! 2:43:30 - Jeevey on seeing Noel and Liam live in the UK in 2022! 2:49:45 - Jeevey on Gem Archer’s overwhelming physical beauty 2:59:26 - Last question. What does fanfiction (and RPF) mean to you?   Episode References Work - "The Passing of Peggy Gallagher" by Jeevey   Work - "Broken Arrow River" by Jeevey  Work - "Transistor" by Jeevey  Fanlore article on the U2 banfic website loveisblindness.net (now down). It’s sister LJ community was “U2 Slash” has been ported over to U2 Slash on Dreamwidth Rec - "Close" by likeamadonna (U2 fic, Bono/Edge, c2002)    Rec - "Fetish" by likeamadonna (Bono/Edge) started in 2002, then went on hiatus for 14 years until the author finished it in 2016! Incredible!! Resource - “Gallaghercest, a Primer” by Snickfic (LiveJournal)  Resource - “Mad for Our Kid” quote archive  Resource - Oasis Interviews Blogspot  Fic Archive - “Mad for Our Kid” LJ Community Fic - "Whatever I Choose" by Jeevey baby’s first gcest fic! Twitter post from "Mainly Oasis" on the anniversary of Oasis at Loch Lomond. Aka, "WOW What a Setlist, that!" Or, "Collective Fandom Cognitive Dissonance re: brothers kissing."  “I AM DISTURBANCE” GQ Interview, Feb 1998 (Oasis Interviews Blogspot) Fic Rec - "Hawkmoon" the U2 cowboy fic - Index of entries on Livejournal Youtube -  Liam singing "Once" and looking GODLIKE at MTV Unplugged (Hull City Hall, 2019)  Influence - Youtube - trailer for “Silent Tongue” the River Phoenix film we mention that was an aesthetic and tonal influence on Jeevey’s “Broken Arrow River” Influence - Ford Madox Ford’s “Parade’s End” (Goodreads) Influence - Robert Duvall’s film “The Apostle” (1997) trailer Clint & Noel in Bed - "Aw, look at us." (Jeevey tumblr post with XFM clip, 2006)  1993 Inspiral Car

Are ye mad fer it?! In episode 303 Sara and Laura crack open a lager and spend three hours indulging in their most problematic (or NOT) obsession yet– The Gallagher Brothers of Oasis! RPF, or ‘real person fiction’ is fanfiction based on the lives of real people. We figure, if you’re gonna get into RPF, you ‘might as well do the white line’ and in true rock’n’roll lifestyle Slide Away into the nitty gritty of one of the most complicated, fascinating, beautiful, ugly, loving, brutal, intense relationships maybe ever. D' You Know What I Mean?  Gcest fans, this is for you. Turn your light on, take the shame out of your bread, sit back and enjoy!    PS. Even in three hours we didn’t get to everything! If you’re interested in more gcest fic, we’ve got our recs listed below, and do check out Snickfic’s Gcest Primer, and the Livejournal communities “MFOK” community and quote archive.  PPS. Spotify Playlist of our Top Oasis and Gallagher Bros. solo tracks!   Timecaps! 0m - Episode Intro 4m - Cold open. Laura is forced to name all the Oasis and Gallagher solo studio albums in order 10m - HOW WE GOT HERE (RPF?! Incest?! On arrive à la problématique) 25m - IRL Timeline Walkthrough, “Who are the Gallagher Brothers?” 1h33m - The fanfiction! RPF, gcest, and our recs! 2h03 - The music and our Toppermost of the Poppermost of Oasis, Liam Gallagher, and Noel Gallagher’s High Flying Birds.   Episode References Documentary on Oasis, “Supersonic” (2016) [Prime] [Official Trailer] Documentary on Liam, “As You Were” (2019) [Prime] [Official Trailer] Oasis on MTV Most Wanted (18th August 1994) - “Whatever” and “Live Forever” (Liam looking ethereally beautiful, music starts 1m40s) Tumblr post ft. pics of the amazing and infamous 'Loch Lomond Kiss'  “Gallaghercest, a Primer” by Snickfic (LJ) “Mad for Our Kid” quote archive https://mfokquotearchiv.livejournal.com/  “Mad for Our Kid” LJ https://mfokquotearchiv.livejournal.com/  Oasis and Gallagher Brother Timeline (public Google Doc we made) BE on Spotify (our fave Beady Eye album) 2015 Youtube video of Liam in an Irish pub playing early versions of ‘Bold’ and ‘When I’m In Need’ Liam Gallagher - “Once” Music Video ft. Eric Cantona, and Butler!Liam Liam Gallagher - "One of Us" Music Video or, “I miss my brother, here is my heart on my sleeve.” Try not to cry!  Beady Eye - “Ballroom Figured” acoustic studio. Liam’s voice is raw but beautiful here. Lovely. Liam Gallagher - "Greedy Soul" Live at Air Studios BIBLICAL Liam Gallagher - "All You're Dreaming Of" Live on Jonathan Ross CELESTIAL Liam Gallagher - "Gone" MTV Unplugged MAJESTICAL Noel Gallagher’s HFB - “Holy Mountain” music video (aka Hot Daddy NG in his tiny trousers)    Noel Gallagher’s HFB - "Dead in the Water" Live at The Late Late Show RTÉ One    Contact and Credits: Music: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected]    Fic Recs (3-5) Sara’s Recs time's slipping away (and what will it hold for me?) by mansgotalimit (young!Liam appears in older!Noel’s world. WIP. ) “A Lot Like Gravity”, by RedheadAmongWolves (Superhero AU, SO!MUCH!FUN!) "Let Me Be the One" by Savageandwise (angsty with happy ending, psychological excavation, amazing!!) "don't you know you're life itself?" by liamnoel (early days, romantic, surreal, stylistic) "Candy Floss Heart" by Jeevey  (lovely present day, Sonny meets Liam at the zoo) Laura’s Recs “Canter”, by cancellable (early days, short drabble, pretty, that one incredible line!) “Trying to Find a World That’s Been and Gone” by storyshark2005, (Reconciliation, Sara’s Coma trope fic) “Razorblade” by Jeevey (sexy, early days pre-band, rawr) “you and I are gonna live forever” by StripySock, (sexy, first kiss, beautifully and sharply written, early days band)  Filmstar (orp

Talkin’ Fanfic  Episode No. - 302 Episode Title - Interview with phyn, aka RedHead   Summary: Yet another incredible treat for the ColdFlash fans! On this episode of Talkin’ Fanfic, Sara sits down with phynali, better known in ColdFlash circles as (the one, the only!) RedHead. RedHead has authored two of the top five kudos’d works under the ColdFlash tag on Ao3, and their work is commonly counted as some of the most seminal in the fandom. Sara and phyn dig into three of RedHead’s works: “Tumbling Together”, “An All Too Jagged Snowflake”, and “Got A Melancholic Temperament (that’s what they said to me)”.  Sara and phyn talk about the joys and collaborative nature of the ColdFlash community, (“Hi, Aunt Crimson!”), the challenge of balancing a PhD thesis with fanfiction obligations, how juggling multiple (and very different) stories can actually help overcome writer’s block, and also touch on phyn’s work under the pseud “dyed_red”, where they publish Supernatural works of a very different (darker, stylistic, minimalistic) nature and atmosphere, and the challenge therein of dipping a toe into a new fandom.    Bulletin Items “LEGENDS: A 2022 Clex Zine launched”. Available at https://legendszine.com/ digitally and as a PDF “Talkville” a Smallville recap podcast, coming July 13th. At least one episode will feature Zach from “Always Hold Onto Smallville”  Episode References "Tumbling Together" by RedHead (Barry/Len, neighbors AU) "An All Too Jagged Snowflake" by Redhead (Barry/Len, Soulmates AU) "Got A Melancholic Temperament (that's what they said to me)" by RedHead (Barry/Len, deaged!Len) Collab - “Len & Barry Ship It” collaborative group collection (ColdFlash) An old fave: "Getting the Hang of Thursdays" by Hayseed (Snape/Hermione timeloop) A dyed_red fic: "Squint into the Sunset | Glare into the Gloaming" by dyed_red (Wincest) Phyn rec, author - nigeltde (Wincest) Phyn rec - "A man with his insides out and his outsides off" by britomart_is (Wincest, time travel)  Phyn rec - "Wire Inside Me" by merle_p (Wincest, mpreg)  Phyn rec - elsi’s Bookmarks (elsi was interviewed in Talkin’ Fanfic: Episode 209) Phyn rec, author - bealeciphers (ColdFlash) Phyn rec - "Rogue Z" by bealeciphers (ColdFlash, Zombie AU) Phyn rec, author -  Crimson1 (ColdFlash, interviewed in Talkin’ Fanfic: Episode 301)  Phyn rec, author - DoreyG (ColdFlash, some of the earliest ColdFlash stories) Phy rec - “Lesser Evils” by tipsybluetips (the first ColdFlash story on Ao3! comics!ColdFlash)  Phyn rec - “Things I Cannot Control and Do Not Admire” by n_a_feathers (ColdFlash, part of the “Things” series)  Phyn rec - “A Week on Rogue’s Mountain” by Chichirinoda (ColdFlash auction AU. phyn “loves this fic”

Talkin’ Fanfic  Episode No. - 301 Episode Title - Interview with Crimson1, professional author Amanda Meuwissen  In Talkin’ Fanfic’s third season opener, Sara sits down with professionally published author Amanda Meuwissen, who has openly and proudly published fanfiction on both ff.net and Ao3 for decades, as Crimson1 ! Sara and Amanda discuss how Amanda’s introduction to popular fiction (via, ironically, Anne Rice novels) almost immediately funneled her into the world of fanfiction reading and writing, and how a Dean/OMC fic she wrote during the early seasons of Supernatural quickly rocketed in popularity (it is still, staggeringly, the #7 most reviewed Supernatural of all time on fanfiction.net, out of some 121 thousand) and served as the first project she would “flip” into a published original work. Sara and Amanda talk about two of her ColdFlash fics from the CW’s Flash fandom, her love of the characters of Barry Allen and Leonard Snart, and why in many ways, the ColdFlash fandom writes the characters better than the show itself.  They also express a random common love for a Wellingbaum RPF coffee shop AU, Wentworth Miller’s hands, the surprising awesomeness of “Legends of Tomorrow” and Amanda gives listeners some tips and tricks on how best to break into publishing in the original fiction world!    Episode References Author Page - Crimson1 on Fanfic.net  Author Page - Crimson1 on Ao3  Fic - "Incubus" by Crimson1 (SPN, Dean/OMC on ff.net) Note: This is the #7 most reviewed SPN fic on ff.net (out of 121k some fics. whoa.)  Featured Fic - “Timeless” by Crimson1 (ColdFlash) on Ao3 Featured Fic - “Lovesick” by Crimson1 (ColdFlash) on Ao3  Tumblr Post - Crimson’s bound copy of “Timeless” Fic Rec - "You Keep Me High" by toomuchplor (Michael Rosenbaum/Tom Welling RPF coffee shop AU) Crimson1 Rec - “Earth Boys Are Easy” by Rose Emily (toomuchplor) Crimson1 Rec - “Tumbling Together” by RedHead (roommates ColdFlash) Crimson1 Rec - “Got A Melancholic Temperament (that’s what they said to me)” by RedHead (deaged!Len ColdFlash)  Author Rec - LiselleVelvet Author Rec - TheRedHarlequin Collab - “In the Wrong Kind of Light” with sugarybowl (ColdFlash) Collab - “Len & Barry Ship It” collaborative group collection (ColdFlash) Collab - “My Father the Supervillain” (tumblr collab series ft. Michael Snart) Crimson is Reading: “Sucker for Love” series by K.L. Hiers (M/M Mystery Romance) Amanda Original Fiction Resources:Amanda Meuwissen Official Website Private Facebook Group “Amanda Meuwissen Books”  A few niche publication houses: Dreamspinner Press ; JMS Books ; Stormy Night Publications ; Harlequin “The Case of the Boy in Blue” by Amanda Meuwissen (audiobook also available!) Contact and Credits: Music: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected] 

A literal throw-back! Recorded in February 2022, Sara didn't get around to editing and posting until September 2022.  In this belated Season 2 closer, Sara and Laura discuss (after some updates on recent ColdFlash and Gallaghercest obsessions) a commonly forgotten or misunderstood Archive Warning: the "Choose Not to Warn" tag. They discuss the purpose of CNTW in context of and along with a phenomenally written story, "The Operative Word" by road_rhythm, in which Sam Winchester weighs the meaning of life, death, and the existence of Free Will itself.  Do fanfiction authors have the option to choose their own endings? Do fanfiction readers have the resources to filter out what they do and do not want to read?? The option on all fronts is a resounding YES, and the Talkin' Fanfic gals break it all down, as well dig into the strong audience reaction elicited by road_rhythm's fearless work of near-metafiction. NOTE: Ironically in order to listen to this episode we are requiring you to first read "The Operative Word". You do not have a choice in this matter!! (Kidding but seriously)--> https://archiveofourown.org/works/21833437   Episode References Descender by Dustin Nguyen (the framed artwork we’re babbling about at the start of the episode. Dustin also illustrates Batman and other comic books for DC Comics) See episodes 301 and 302 for all things ColdFlash and ColdFlash recs! Sinners Reconciled by blue_wanderer (the specific ColdFlash rec Sara mentions) “Now and Then” by Elise_51 (Laura’s Tim/Damian WIP, DC Comics) "Gallaghercest: A Primer" by Snickfic (we'll speak of this in depth in Episode 303) "Love in the Time of Corona" Gallaghercest series collab by Jeevey and Savageandwise  Work - "The Operative Word" by road_rhythm Work - "Here be Dragons" (discussion of archive warnings) by road_rhythm Fancake Rec Community (Dreamwidth)  Fancake Rec Entry for "The Operative Word" (Dreamwidth) Ao3 Tutorial: Posting a Work on Ao3 (descripton of Archive Warnings)   Contact and Credits: Music: Kyle Laurin "In the Air Tonight" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected] 

Talkin’ Fanfic  Episode No. - 209 Episode Title - Interview with elsi   Sara sits down to talk with elsi, aka Prince_of_Elsinore, an incredibly talented author who has spent many thousands of words exploring the heart of the relationship between the characters of Dean and Sam Winchester from Supernatural. Sara and elsi cover the show itself (that finale!) and discuss three of elsi’s works centered around Sam and Dean over the course of their lives together. elsi speaks in depth about the differences between gencest and Wincest, and the thin and not-so-thin lines that form the fascinating gradient between. elsi explains their love for this “ultimate ship” and why the heart of a good Wincest fic treats “problematic” aspects of the ship directly, in a way that feels honest, unafraid, and faithful to Sam and Dean themselves as characters.  Other topics include: writing style, “Id fic”, letting subtext tell the story and do the heavy lifting, and how elsi’s experience in fanfiction has informed and differed from their professional, original writing experiences, and why fanfiction isn’t just “the minor leagues” of the publishing writing world, but an artistic pursuit entirely of its own. Bulletin Items!  Talkin’ Fanfic will be LIVE with The Fanfic Maverick Podcast at PLANET COMICCON in Kansas City! Saturday April 23rd at 1pm. See website for tickets, schedule, etc. Let us know if you’re coming! Episode References Work - “Baton Rouge” by elsi Work - “Understand the Undernetting” by elsi Work - “December, Sutter County” by elsi elsi’s ‘deserted island’ book - Poetry by Wisława Szymborska elsi is reading - "CivilWarLand in Bad Decline" by George Saunders elsi is reading - "Nonrequired Reading" by Wisława Szymborska  Ao3 Collection - “Wanted Man” Challenge  elsi rec - author: nigeltde elsi rec - author: deadlybride  elsi rec -author:  damnablebell  elsi rec -author: flesh, aka fleshflutter elsi rec -author: Edwardina   elsi rec - "Carry Me Over the Sky" by killabeez (SPN Wincest) elsi rec - "Splinters" by Morgan (SPN horror western)   elsi rec - "Squint into the Sunset | Glare into the Gloaming" by Dyed_Red  elsi rec - “I’ve Got A Hand For You” by Edwardina  Contact and Credits: Music: Kyle Laurin "In the Air Tonight" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected]  Reading excerpt music: “Pensive Mood Guitar and Cello” by Musictown (pixabay)

Talkin’ Fanfic  Episode No. - 208 Episode Title - Interview with museaway Sara sits down with long-time multi-fandom author and community organizer MUSEAWAY, where they discuss three of muse’s works in Smallville, Supernatural, and the Alternate Original Series Star Trek fandoms. Topics include:  Their love of the edenic, the singular! old school Smallville fandom  The difference to an outsider, between what Supernatural looks like from tumblr gif sets vs what it looks like watching the show (VERY. DIFFERENT.) How to write Destiel without writing over Sam Case fic! The joys of “discovery moments” , and the messiness of exploratory writing the “DESERT HOOKER PHOTOSHOOT”! (say ‘thank you 2013 Star Trek fandom) Muse also waxes poetic over the gift economy of fanfiction, and how fanfiction breaks down traditional publishing industry barriers between authors and the readers who will find and appreciate their contributions to the fandom, and generally the unique joys of fandom.  We also discuss muse’s fandom community involvement, including the #ficwip, a twitter event that has morphed into a multi-fandom writer’s community.    Bulletin Items!  The Karate Club Zine is now open for Pre-Order!  The 2020 Clex Zine is now LEGENDS: A 2022 Clex Zine. Applications for fic writers and artists are NOW OPEN through December! If you worked on any of the original CLFF “Clex Fest” round and could give museaway permission to work with Ao3 to archive those works, please get in touch!!   Episode References Museaway on ao3, twitter, and the hellsite Work - "Play Forgiveness" by museaway (Smallville, Clark/Lex) Work - "Entering Orbit" by museaway (Star Trek AOS, Kirk/Spock)    Work - "Superior" by museaway (SPN, Dean/Cas atmospheric case fic) Work -"Le Nouveau" by museaway (SPN crossover, Dean/Case case fic)   Work -"The Walls Between Us" (Star Trek AOS, Kirk/Spock, mind-melding through hand contact!)  Google Image Search Results - “desert hooker photoshoot” (peak 2013 Star Trek fandom) Fanlore article on ontd_startrek, a livejournal community that popularized the term GQMFer, or "GQ M**********r" (one of Sara’s Trek fandom memories)  "flowers by the roadside" by museaway (Voltron post-finale, Keith/Lance, written for #theficthathauntsyou ) T'hy'la Bang - Tumblr Page Muse is reading - Shonen Jump Viz Account, $1.99/mo manga Muse is reading- Futekiya - BL Manga subscription service    Muse recs Scarlet Beriko, a BL Manga author Muse recs "The Lazarus Gap" by Dolimir (Clark/Lex amnesia fic) Muse recs works by garryowen, aka dogpoet (ao3 profile page)  Muse recs works by Vera, aka dragonmuse ao3 profile page) #ficwip contact information carrd “The Fic that Haunts You” Notion Site   Contact and Credits: Music: Kyle Laurin "In the Air Tonight" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected] 

Sara and Laura catch up and talk about what they’ve been reading (angsty ‘Toy Story’ teen romance! Wincest in the world of ‘Tremors’ ! fake-marriage-scifi! Jason Todd/Dick Grayson!) ; what they’ve been writing (Batfamily! Green Lantern GuyKyle space husbands!) ; and Laura talks about her recent adventures in DC Comics land, where among other things, Guy Gardner of Space Sector 2814 gets KO’d by Batman, and tries to take his prospective girlfriend to a porno. And also why you should love Guy Gardner.   Contact and Credits: Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected]  Intro/Outro Music: Kyle Laurin "In the Air Tonight" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Background music for reading excerpt: "White Horses on the Beach"  by NaturesEye (Pixabay)    Episode References "A Moonlight Sonata" by DarlingJenny (Schroeder/Lucy)  "The Elko County Adventure" by Candle_beck  (Sam/Dam, SPN&Tremors Crossover) "Under the Table and Dreaming" by hollycomb (Andy/Sid, Toy Story) “Theories About Nuclear Winter” by hollycomb (Calvin/Susie, Calvin and Hobbes) "underneath your skin (let me in)" by Sandrine Shaw (Sandrine) Captain Cold/The Flash, CW’s ‘The Flash’ )  “Planet of L” by Jakowic (Jason Todd/Dick Grayson, DC Comics) “Jealous Guy” by Elise_51 and Storyshark2005 (Guy Gardner/Kyle Rayner, DC Comics) "Even the Losers" by Elise_51 (JayDick Summer Exchange 2021)    Comics Biblio Justice League International Volume 1 (Trade Paperpack) DC Wiki - JLA Vol 1 #28 - "A Date with Destiny" or, Guy Takes Tora to a Porno  Guy Gardner: Year One - Chuck Dixon (Four issue arc,  'Guy Gardner' issues #11-14) LUTHOR  - Bermejo/Azzarello, DC Comics (TP, Black Label Edition)  Forever Evil - Johns/Friend/Finch , DC Comics (TP) Under the Red Hood - Loeb/Winick/Starlin, DC Comics (TP) "Under the Red Hood" [Animated Feature Film on HBO Max] BATGIRL: STEPHANIE BROWN VOL. 1 - Brian Q. Miller, DC Comics (TP) BATGIRL: STEPHANIE BROWN VOL. 2 - Brian Q. Miller, DC Comics (TP)     Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors - Tomasi, DC Comics (TP) Green Lantern Corps Vol 1: Fearsome - Tomasi, DC Comics (TP)   

A-TEAM, ASSEMBLE!! Sara joins forces with Beth from The Fanfic Maverick Podcast to take a DEEP DIVE into the history of fanfiction as we know it. From Ancient Greece to Ao3, we try and cover it all.  How are fanfic authors protected by US Copyright Law? (Fair Use!)  If George Lucas gets squicked out by your Luke/Han lemon, can his team of lawyers punt your PWP? (Not if you’re non-commercial, young padawan!)  How much do you know about the speakeasy of fanfiction, that seedy backroom of the internet obscurely known as WWOMB? (Beth will regale you!)  How many items on astolat's original Ao3 wishlist came true (ALL OF THEM! pretty much!) AFTER LISTENING, subscribe to the Fanfic Maverick Podcast on Apple, Spotify, or whatever-- and stay tuned for PART 2: The exciting panel-style conclusion, where Sara and Beth round up a couple of fandom OGs who will tell you how is was-- and is!    Contact and Credits: Music: Kyle Laurin "In the Air Tonight" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected]   Biblio/Articles to Read The Fanfic Maverick Podcast: SUBSCRIBE on your podcast platform, or find next week's episode HERE! https://www.fanficmaverickpodcast.com/  The Fanfiction Studies Reader (Univ of Iowa Press-- you can purchase direct from here, or please contact your local independent bookstore!)  https://fanlore.org/wiki/Main_Page  VICE, “The Forgotten Early History of Fanfiction”  The Surprising 18th Century Origins of Fanfiction (The Atlantic)  Fanart in the 18th Century -  "The Punishment Inflicted on Lemuel Gulliver" by William Hogarth  Medium: "Fanfiction and Copyright"  Legal Fictions: Copyright, Fan Fiction, and a New Common Law  (R. Tushnet, Georgetown Law article, 1997) "The Promise and Potential of Fanfiction" (The New Yorker)  Alexander Pope wrote a series of “touching if bawdy” poems about Gulliver’s barely mentioned wife, Mary Gulliver,  History of Media Fanzines (fanlore) 2021 article on Star Trek Prodigy Group ATF  https://fanlore.org/wiki/Supernatural_Roundtable (Didn’t get to it, but I just thought this was cool) https://fanlore.org/wiki/Category:Chronology  https://fanlore.org/wiki/Fandom_1994-2000-ish/Part_One  https://fanlore.org/wiki/Fandom_1994-2000-ish/Part_Two   Webrings (fanlore)  Gossamer Archive  Trek Fiction (dot com)  Due South Archive / Hexwood (1994) Jedi Apprentice Fan Dimension (2000) (Sara’s first!) http://www.lcfanfic.com/ Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive (1996 TO PRESENT) A Brief History of Modern Fanfiction, the migration of online communities (cached article) Announcing Fanfic.net: The Definitive Xfiles Source (fanlore) LJ 2007 (there was also a second strikethrough purge later in 2008) Fandom, Inc Fanlore - cupidsbow "How Fanfiction Makes Us Poor" (April 26, 2007) Cesperanza - “Dear Fandom: Could You Please Stop Saying That?” LJ (May 17, 2007) Fanlore - Astolat’s “An Archive of One's Own”  (LJ, May 17 2007) (see more below)  Wattpad sold (techcrunch article) 

PART TWO!! Sara and Andrea continue their discussion, this time with the aid of White Claw and more beer. Topics include: motherhood and writing, the challenges of being a short-form/flash fiction writer in a novelist’s world, finding motivation for wanting to do the “professional writing thing”, and the “silliness of the sequel.” We talk more about “Light as a Feather”, how ‘Kentucky South’ is a little different than the rest of the South (a very specific preoccupation with corrected Sonic slushies), AND Biscuit lets us know that the FedEx man is here! Also, Sara gets pretty tipsy trying to read her “Rapid Fire” questions, and we giggle over ugly “SAD” ultraviolet mood-lifting lights. Where do you put them??  DON’T FORGET TO VOTE!:  “RARE PAIR SUMMER SLAM 2k21: LIKE A VIRGIN” starts May 29th!!   Episode References Ao3 Profile - provocative_envy  Andrea Anderson - Professional Website  Work -  Over/Under (ao3) [Scabior/Draco summer camp, sort of??] Work - Time Go (ao3) [the Pansy/Harry hockey escort fic!] Tumblr Ask - provocative_envy's Top 3  Light as a Feather (read here for the price of cheap coffee!)  "RARE PAIR SUMMER SLAM 2k21: LIKE A VIRGIN”  Andrea is reading “The Serpent and the Pearl” by Kate Quinn   Contact and Credits: Music: Kyle Laurin "In the Air Tonight" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected]