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FBI undercover agent Scott Payne’s job was to infiltrate the most dangerous gangs of our times: outlaw bikers, drug cartels and the international neo-Nazi networks hellbent on inciting a race war. He was taking down these groups from within. And Scott was good at it — people confided in him their most audacious plans for mass violence and domestic terrorism. In the second season of White Hot Hate, host Michelle Shephard gives you an unvarnished view of a life undercover. Because after a 28-year-long career pretending to be somebody else, Agent Payne is ready to tell his side of the story. Coming March 25, 2025. This series was produced alongside a book co-written by Scott Payne and Michelle Shephard titled Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America's Nazis.

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The Insider

2025/03/25

After chatting online, it’s FBI undercover Special Agent Scott Payne's first in-person meeting with The Base. Alone. Now he just needs to convince the international neo-Nazi network that he's one of them. To hear all episodes of White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse right now, ad-free, subscribe to CBC True Crime Premium on Apple Podcasts.

You Got Anything for Rednecks?

2025/04/01

How does a young, self-proclaimed redneck end up becoming one of the most storied undercover agents of our time? We trace Agent Payne’s path from a satan-worshiping southern high school student, all the way to becoming a “Hillbilly Donnie Brasco.”

Who’s A Rat Dot Com

2025/04/08

Scott Payne is a big, intimidating, Harley-riding guy. He’s the perfect choice to infiltrate the Outlaws Motorcycle Club. For him, it’s a dream assignment - getting inside an international criminal organization whose arch-rival is the Hell's Angels. Then, things go bad. Really bad.

Do Not Recommend

2025/04/15

Scott is deep undercover in the Outlaws, becoming close friends with members of the dangerous biker gang. But you can only get so deep for so long. And now Scott is at risk of losing everything: his marriage, his body and his mind.

Klan Kologne

2025/04/22

Scott re-enters the life of an undercover agent with a new assignment: infiltrate a chapter of the KKK. With white supremacist violence on the rise, he finds himself in the middle of a field in Alabama - about to join the Klan.

Get Behind Me, Satan

2025/04/29

We return to Scott’s time with The Base, the neo-Nazi accelerationist group bent on sparking a race war. Taking down this violent cell of white supremacists takes everything he’s learned in his decades-long undercover career. And then… retirement. For someone who has spent his whole life pretending to be someone he’s not: who is Scott Payne?

Introducing White Hot Hate Season 2: Agent Pale Horse

2025/03/18

Coming March 25, 2025. FBI undercover agent Scott Payne’s job was to infiltrate the most dangerous gangs of our times: outlaw bikers, drug cartels and the international neo-Nazi networks hellbent on inciting a race war. In the second season of White Hot Hate, host Michelle Shephard gives you an unvarnished view of a life undercover. Because after a 28-year-long career pretending to be somebody else, Agent Payne is ready to tell his side of the story. Hear all episodes early and ad-free by subscribing to CBC True Crime Premium.

Season 1, Episode 1: “Save Your Race, Join The Base”

2021/10/26

When recruitment posters for a white supremacist network start appearing around town, Winnipeg Free Press journalist Ryan Thorpe decides to go undercover and infiltrate the group. For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

Season 1, Episode 2: “Best of Both Worlds”

2021/10/26

A tipster reveals that Patrik — who talked about derailing trains and setting off explosives — was a member of the Army Reserve. Does the military have a problem with neo-Nazis in its ranks? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

Season 1, Episode 3: Hate Camps

2021/11/02

Outed as a member of The Base, Patrik Mathews disappears. His abandoned truck is discovered near the Canada-U.S. border. He could be heading to a training camp. But what exactly are they training for? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

Season 1, Episode 4: “It only takes a few”

2021/11/09

Some members of The Base are planning deadly attacks that they hope will spark a race war. Will they be stopped, before it's too late? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

Season 1, Episode 5: The ‘Network Administrator’

2021/11/16

We speak with ‘Roman Wolf,’ the founder of The Base. Who is he really? Why did he start a white supremacist network? And with half a dozen members behind bars, what comes next? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

Season 1, Episode 6: “Give them what they deserve”

2021/11/24

Patrik Mathews could be facing up to 25 years in prison for U.S. firearm offences. His and others’ arrests may have destroyed the appeal of accelerationist groups like The Base — but where is the movement heading now? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

Introducing: White Hot Hate

2021/10/21

‘White Hot Hate’ follows the extraordinary case of a Canadian journalist who infiltrated an international neo-Nazi extremist network. Host Michelle Shephard explores the rise of white supremacist accelerationism: the ultra-violent ideology that drives believers to create chaos, in order to seize ultimate control.

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death stapler 2025/08/22

Excellent podcast with a big caveat

This is a enlightening and well done podcast, definitely worth your time. However, when you're listening to it, try and take in the irony of a man lik...

★★★★☆

1Bamamom 2025/07/26

Would have been a FIVE * but…

Loved this! Blew right through every episode. Scott…thank you! I can’t believe the detail you gave and the sacrifices you’ve made over the years. ...

★★★★★

Jenro78 2025/08/13

Powerful Storytelling and Eye-Opening Insight

This was an exceptional interview and an incredible story. The host did a fantastic job guiding the conversation and bringing out the depth of an FBI ...

★★★★★

Carebb 2025/08/03

Beautiful reporting

Highly recommend. One the best!

★★★★★

Hckshcks 2025/07/07

Extremely well done.

Thanks to this team for putting down such a quality piece of reporting from the dark side of America. This documentary evokes gratitude for the underc...

★☆☆☆☆

partynwithplants 2025/07/23

Scott is great, Host hates Trump

Scott was awesome how he shared his experience and risking his life for his country. Thank you Scott! But then the Host had to share her political vie...

★★★★★

GrandMasterJS 2025/06/20

So Good. So informative.

This season was inspiring. I wish the world had more Scott Paynes in it.

★★★★★

Keeno_BigK 2025/06/17

Well Researched & Interesting

I was amazed how well researched this was. The host was engaging and asked great questions.

★★★★★

jonathannashhh 2025/06/05

Interesting, well-reported, and on point

Excellent reporting, narration, and production. The first season was already fantastic but the CBC crew have continued to cement their work in the sec...

★★★★★

SESirles 2025/06/04

Excellent

Absolutely gripping and beautifully done. The complaints in these reviews, however, about literally 3 minutes of acknowledging how political rhetoric ...

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